[Champ LRA][2023][Chambéry] Ronde 3 Table 1 - Robin Chauvin(3d) vs Motoki Noguchi (7d)

Move 121

Motoki Noguchi[7d]

2 captures

Robin Chauvin[3d]

1 capture

+ 7.5

Unranked

Rules: AGA

Review by: ...

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April 22, 2023

[14:51] LRA1[?]: we are a little of schedule we start in 5-10minutes

[14:58] LRA1[?]: Motoki is in place

[14:59] LRA1[?]: Robin is coming

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[15:03] LRA1[?]: Robin says "I'll try to do a nice game"

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[15:04] LRA1[?]: at black C4, Robin says "rraaaahhh"

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[15:09] Trevoke[8k]: I did not realize we could squeeze F4 that tightly with H4 but in hindsight, if we can play there when W has the extension, why not play there when W doesn't hav eit

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[15:12] ExpectSuccess[3k]: why black doesn't do anything with R5?

[15:13] LRA1[?]: when White played R8, Motoki say "yes" with his head

[15:13] LRA1[?]: the stone is not dead yet

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[15:13] zalanmakany[3k]: i love this commentary haha

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[15:14] Trevoke[8k]: The running commentary is definitely fantastic

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[15:15] Trevoke[8k]: ExpectSuccess : R5 is aji. Its presence allows moves on the outside around O3, O5, and R9, in relative sente

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[15:15] Mbrez[3d]: oh dear

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[15:16] Mbrez[3d]: Robin going for the psychological attempt

[15:16] LRA1[?]: Robin put a white stone from his bowl and put it in the table. and played F6

[15:16] Mbrez[3d]: he does that when they don't have the same size, so...quite often, no?

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[15:17] zalanmakany[3k]: it feels a bit like white is getting squeezed like an orange

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[15:18] LRA1[?]: I prefere saussage @zalan ^^

[15:18] awareplay2000[12k]: white bottom right looks awkward no?

[15:19] Dalan[1d]: bottom right looks pretty standard. b wants to use the r2 aji.

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[15:19] zalanmakany[3k]: its not so easy to get rid of the aji in a single move, maybe r4?

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[15:19] awareplay2000[12k]: Alright, cool

[15:20] awareplay2000[12k]: just feels like pretty weak shape from white

[15:20] awareplay2000[12k]: which doesn't exert that much influence

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[15:21] katapliksi[1k]: R2!

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[15:21] zalanmakany[3k]: well the idea is that the R5 stone is very damaged, close to dead

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[15:21] zalanmakany[3k]: woooe

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[15:21] awareplay2000[12k]: yea that makes sense

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[15:21] zalanmakany[3k]: interesting move

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[15:22] Trevoke[8k]: But now W played 5 moves around the corner, so W got .. Let's be generous and say 17 points with those 5 moves, that's still fairly suboptimal this early in the game

[15:22] awareplay2000[12k]: looks a bit slow

[15:22] Trevoke[8k]: W needs to do something towards the outside with the SE position or it'll be wasted

[15:22] LRA1[?]: I remember a go camp where Motoki says to us : use your dead stones in a way to put them in heaven with a high price to pay

[15:23] awareplay2000[12k]: ha, nice saying, should remember that

[15:23] awareplay2000[12k]: how would black do that here regarding R5?

[15:24] awareplay2000[12k]: something like R9 feasible later on?

[15:24] katapliksi[1k]: he already did it

[15:24] awareplay2000[12k]: to develop right side?

[15:24] Trevoke[8k]: B is doing it already; O3 for R2 was a dubious exchange for W

[15:24] zalanmakany[3k]: well black got a nice forcing move and white had to play a lot of stones to do so early

[15:24] awareplay2000[12k]: ah right yea good point

[15:24] katapliksi[1k]: by "forcing" w to play R2

[15:25] Trevoke[8k]: B can play at R10 and still squeeze more aji out of R5, but the timing has to be good because B's position on the South is flexible and stable but not yet fully alive so B doesn't want to push W towards the B shape

[15:25] awareplay2000[12k]: that makes sense

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[15:26] Trevoke[8k]: It looks like B might ask W to help him strengthen the B South position anyway

[15:26] awareplay2000[12k]: why E9 over something on top side for black?

[15:26] LRA1[?]: big pressure on the white saussage

[15:26] awareplay2000[12k]: yea that white shape does look quite suboptimal

[15:27] awareplay2000[12k]: so now black can attack left from the right as well to stabilize his southern position?

[15:27] zalanmakany[3k]: in a game i would feel very bad with white

[15:27] awareplay2000[12k]: yea those white stones on left really didn't seem to accomplish all that much

[15:27] Dalan[1d]: the main issue with this variation feels like the f4 stones ended up heavy, the q6 wall also feels difficult to use as well.

[15:27] awareplay2000[12k]: pretty heavy too

[15:28] awareplay2000[12k]: what could white do to come back in this game?

[15:28] zalanmakany[3k]: it's still even

[15:28] LRA1[?]: clock : black 49min white 32min

[15:28] awareplay2000[12k]: black also seems to be threatening pretty big moyo on left side

[15:28] zalanmakany[3k]: but feels awkward

[15:29] LRA1[?]: Robin says a "hummmm"

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[15:29] awareplay2000[12k]: I feel like white has no concrete direction with their stones

[15:29] Dalan[1d]: the same thing to always do. your best. and look for opportunity :)

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[15:29] awareplay2000[12k]: but where is there an opportunity here for white you think?

[15:29] LRA1[?]: atcha

[15:29] Trevoke[8k]: As W I would like to play around K5 but that's.. Erm.. Let's say naive.

[15:30] Dalan[1d]: first w must endure. b16 is big points

[15:30] awareplay2000[12k]: K5 might really put your white group on left at risk perhaps

[15:30] Dalan[1d]: if gets the chance r15 will be a big area

[15:30] awareplay2000[12k]: yea if white can gain control of left side that seems nice

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[15:31] awareplay2000[12k]: I like how black abused white weakness making it run for little profit while it stakes out moyo

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[15:33] ExpectSuccess[3k]: i think it's since move 14, playing R8 instead of K3 or K4 cost so high for w. is it correct?

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[15:34] awareplay2000[12k]: does R15 lead into some sort of Joseki?

[15:34] LRA1[?]: Robin seems looking for the north board

[15:35] awareplay2000[12k]: either top or right seems like biggest playes right?

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[15:36] awareplay2000[12k]: R15 was a nice call Dalan

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[15:37] awareplay2000[12k]: still feels like black has so much territory on left and bottom, hard to get compensation for that and also top right corner

[15:38] LRA1[?]: Motoki nod at P14 move

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[15:38] awareplay2000[12k]: black really not handing white anything

[15:38] katapliksi[1k]: here we go!

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[15:39] awareplay2000[12k]: how does M16 look for black is that too slow?

[15:39] katapliksi[1k]: now, b can attach at Q8 and stuff?

[15:39] ExpectSuccess[3k]: haha, Motoki acts like he's manipulating the game

[15:39] Dalan[1d]: I can't say for sure that r8 was bad, but I don't think the outcome of the lower left situation feels good. needed to have f4 end up not weak. k4 would be standard.

[15:39] LRA1[?]: motoki is a mandalorian "this is the way"

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[15:39] katapliksi[1k]: called it!

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[15:40] awareplay2000[12k]: is R5 still doing anything at this point?

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[15:40] katapliksi[1k]: oh yes

[15:40] Dalan[1d]: yes.

[15:40] LRA1[?]: Motoki was not sure for Q9

[15:40] awareplay2000[12k]: guess it is preventing net if he further invades

[15:41] katapliksi[1k]: it's incredible how after so many w stones R5 still generates aji

[15:41] awareplay2000[12k]: that black invastion really kinda ruined white stones on 14 row

[15:41] awareplay2000[12k]: white black has big corner from it

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[15:42] awareplay2000[12k]: if white cant kill this he probably lost right?

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[15:42] katapliksi[1k]: S6 another painful move for w

[15:42] awareplay2000[12k]: yea, I am surprised that move was needed to be safe, but I don't doubt it

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[15:44] LRA1[?]: @awareplay, if you don't put it black R7 is very big

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[15:44] Dalan[1d]: Variation: cut potential. also giving up 2 stones makes b near immortal.

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[15:44] awareplay2000[12k]: I see yea, makes sense

[15:44] LRA1[?]: boshi !

[15:44] zalanmakany[3k]: I'm not sure what white is trying for here

[15:45] Dalan[1d]: white is maybe looking for good place to resign

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[15:45] awareplay2000[12k]: nice variation Dalan, thanks

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[15:45] zalanmakany[3k]: maybe a final attack on the bottom?

[15:45] awareplay2000[12k]: amazing how a game can be won of one stone

[15:46] awareplay2000[12k]: played early as well

[15:46] LRA1[?]: clock : black 47min white 24min

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[15:47] zalanmakany[3k]: this feels close to over for white no?

[15:47] Trevoke[8k]: Fischer time?

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[15:48] LRA1[?]: yes 50min by player and 15s add for each move

[15:48] Trevoke[8k]: Thanks

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[15:48] LRA1[?]: Robin stand up and walk in the room

[15:49] awareplay2000[12k]: think black can just play it safe and win on points

[15:50] Dalan[1d]: I don't think that is b personality. it feels like he enjoys to bother the opponent, play very active.

[15:50] Dalan[1d]: maybe style better word

[15:50] awareplay2000[12k]: yea probably right

[15:51] LRA1[?]: What do you think about black O8 ?

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[15:52] zalanmakany[3k]: maybe first split the right

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[15:52] Dalan[1d]: maybe at a later time. g11 feels like a juicier target to me.

[15:52] Dalan[1d]: if w plays away from o8 it is maybe slow

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[15:53] LRA1[?]: i loss connexion is it ok ?

[15:53] Dalan[1d]: I can see the comment so I believe so :)

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[15:54] awareplay2000[12k]: seems fine, move 81 currently

[15:54] LRA1[?]: thx

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[15:54] zalanmakany[3k]: black goes for the kill

[15:54] LRA1[?]: motoki nod at white L8

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[15:55] LRA1[?]: white stop before playing G10

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[15:55] LRA1[?]: and finaly played it

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[15:55] awareplay2000[12k]: is white dead?

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[15:55] Dalan[1d]: they are currently arguing over that :)

[15:56] awareplay2000[12k]: just don't see how he can connect with top and if he can't he can't make eyes right?

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[15:56] awareplay2000[12k]: I like how black row on 14 line is supporting his current attack with the hanes

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[15:57] zalanmakany[3k]: now 08?

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[15:58] awareplay2000[12k]: oh alright, interesting

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[15:58] zalanmakany[3k]: it's big

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[15:59] awareplay2000[12k]: so he didn't have the kill after all

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[16:00] zalanmakany[3k]: well sometimes living is worse then dieing

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[16:00] awareplay2000[12k]: ha, I like how black said.. now you overstepped white!

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[16:01] Trevoke[8k]: Corner, meet W's back, W's back, meet corner, y'all gon' be bes' frien's

[16:02] awareplay2000[12k]: :d

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[16:05] LRA1[?]: clock : black 47min white 20min

[16:05] Trevoke[8k]: Well, I guess W is alive in ko, right?

[16:05] LRA1[?]: resign

[16:06] Trevoke[8k]: Oh, no, wait

[16:06] Trevoke[8k]: gg

[16:06] awareplay2000[12k]: well played by black

[16:06] awareplay2000[12k]: didn't feel like white was ever in position of power

[16:06] awareplay2000[12k]: thanks for the broadcast

[16:07] awareplay2000[12k]: are there still more matches to come?

[16:07] Dalan[1d]: I was told 5 round tournament

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[16:07] awareplay2000[12k]: which round was this?

[16:08] Dalan[1d]: 3

[16:08] awareplay2000[12k]: alright thanks

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[16:08] Trevoke[8k]: It's also, what, 5pm, 6pm in France? Next round might be tomorrow?

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[16:08] awareplay2000[12k]: is E4 a normal approach?

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[16:08] LRA1[?]: round 4 tomorow morning 10am (gmt+2)

[16:09] Trevoke[8k]: Thanks :)

[16:09] Dalan[1d]: e4 is very normal.

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[16:09] awareplay2000[12k]: guess H4 is what made them feel heavy?

[16:09] awareplay2000[12k]: so it goes back to what people were saying R8 maybe being the mistake?

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[16:09] LRA1[?]: Variation: better for white

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[16:10] Dalan[1d]: r2 feels like the bigger mistake

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[16:10] awareplay2000[12k]: but like R2 just looekd really slow, but leaving the E4 group hanging with little influence is what really created a lot of trouble for white no?

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[16:10] Dalan[1d]: not being able to defend after the jump to f7, usual is a shoulder hit at d7 after.

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[16:11] awareplay2000[12k]: I see

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[16:11] LRA1[?]: motoki says that the black stones in the south are not so solid if white could cap them

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[16:11] Dalan[1d]: sometimes it is okay to leave a little trouble behind. if something is more important or you are good at managing troubles. not recommended for your rank.

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[16:12] awareplay2000[12k]: I guess then the white stones on E4 pay-off more if they create trouble for black on bottom

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[16:12] Dalan[1d]: an extension is most normal.

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[16:12] awareplay2000[12k]: yea I still have no clue in regards to fights. just have to go off instinct, which is far from optimal

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[16:12] Dalan[1d]: Variation: most normal

[16:13] awareplay2000[12k]: that looks so much better for white

[16:13] Dalan[1d]: if you like it you should do it then :)

[16:13] awareplay2000[12k]: I really don't understand what he was trying to accomplish with R8, since he didn't have stone on top right either

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