Game Finished

Move 69

manveru[?]

1 capture

ldlework[7k]

14 captures

+ 5.5

Ranked

Rules: Japanese

Review by: ldlework[4k]

Move 7

April 16, 2020

[21:49] ldlework[5k]: I was like

[21:49] manveru[?]: hehe

[21:49] ldlework[5k]: i seriously didn't know what move to do

[21:49] ldlework[5k]: if I D7

[21:49] ldlework[5k]: i am forfeiting the game

Move 8 + 13

[21:50] ldlework[5k]: i don't even know

Move 8

[21:50] manveru[?]: that played out differently in my mind

[21:50] ldlework[5k]: what would you've done instead?

Move 8 + 5

[21:51] manveru[?]: here i lose too much

Move 14

[21:51] ldlework[5k]: that black pushing at D4 just results in white connecting up with D6 is so brutal

[21:52] ldlework[5k]: i don't know what black should do

Move 8 + 9

[21:52] manveru[?]: that'd have been too simple i guess

Move 14 + 1

[21:52] ldlework[5k]: i like this

[21:52] ldlework[5k]: is a pretty huge move

Move 71

[21:54] ldlework[5k]: $*!% i dunno

Move 14 + 17

[21:54] manveru[?]: lol

Move 8

[21:54] ldlework[5k]: i think this was good move though

[21:54] ldlework[5k]: i wish i was an ogs subscriber

[21:54] ldlework[5k]: so we could have the AI tell us

[21:54] ldlework[5k]: lol

[21:54] manveru[?]: jup

Move 8 + 6

[21:55] ldlework[5k]: this isn't bad

Move 8 + 5

[21:55] ldlework[5k]: maybe there are some things black can do

Move 8

[21:56] manveru[?]: well, anything is possible with that few stones...

[21:56] ldlework[5k]: yeah

[21:56] ldlework[5k]: thank you for the game

[21:56] manveru[?]: thanks as well

[21:56] manveru[?]: really have to get more consistent

Move 0

[22:06] ldlework[5k]: cole don't jump around

[22:06] ldlework[5k]: :)

[22:06] cole_h[?]: o7

Move 2

[22:06] ldlework[5k]: manveru is black

[22:06] ldlework[5k]: watch how they win the game after just 3 moves

Move 7

[22:06] ldlework[5k]: ok 4

[22:06] ldlework[5k]: cole, at this point in the game i concluded i lost

[22:07] ldlework[5k]: how could white possibly recover?!

[22:07] ldlework[5k]: it seems black already has more than they need

[22:07] ldlework[5k]: cole where would you go

[22:07] cole_h[?]: I would probably go B8, or even edgier, H8

[22:08] ldlework[5k]: What's your thinking behind B8?

[22:08] cole_h[?]: It's a corner. C7 to get the "safety" of 2 ranks either direction wouldn't do that much, I think

[22:08] cole_h[?]: And playing the middle, around D4 seems suicidal, or at least easy to get boxed in

[22:09] ldlework[5k]: Isn't the point of D6 to represent the top-left corner?

Move 4

[22:09] ldlework[5k]: B8 is very low, on the second line in both directions

[22:09] ldlework[5k]: white is marking out the left side

[22:09] ldlework[5k]: so any move we make

[22:09] ldlework[5k]: wants to expand it in black's direction

[22:10] ldlework[5k]: do you see the direction of play?

Move 4 + 2

[22:10] cole_h[?]: So B8 is too tentative because we already have that corner mostly on lock

[22:10] ldlework[5k]: we wanna take as much as possible

[22:10] ldlework[5k]: yeah

[22:10] ldlework[5k]: let's go back to the actuacl position

Move 7

[22:10] cole_h[?]: Right, we want to push ahead to prevent losing territory

[22:10] ldlework[5k]: yes

Move 7 + 1

[22:11] ldlework[5k]: to me this is the natural play

[22:11] ldlework[5k]: but my thinking was

[22:11] ldlework[5k]: if white does this, they are gonna lose

Move 7 + 2

[22:11] ldlework[5k]: with a move like this

[22:11] ldlework[5k]: white's forced to protect

Move 7 + 3

[22:11] ldlework[5k]: black has enough to win now

[22:11] cole_h[?]: I see, black's got that diagonal all to himself

[22:12] ldlework[5k]: yeah

[22:12] cole_h[?]: It would be tough to push through that

[22:12] ldlework[5k]: it's a rough approximation

[22:12] ldlework[5k]: but yeah

Move 7 + 18

[22:12] ldlework[5k]: see they didn't quite get the line i drew

[22:13] ldlework[5k]: but black was at the advantage for most of those exchanges

Move 7

[22:13] ldlework[5k]: so that's why I thought I lost

[22:13] ldlework[5k]: i thought "well you'll have to do something desperate then"

Move 8

[22:13] cole_h[?]: Wounded animal and all that

[22:14] ldlework[5k]: manveru and i talked and we couldn't really think of GREAT responses for black, though we found some stuff

Move 8 + 3

[22:14] ldlework[5k]: this is quite huge

Move 9

[22:14] ldlework[5k]: black did this

[22:14] ldlework[5k]: which is natural

Move 10

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: this move is like a peep

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: asking black, can i come in here

Move 11

[22:15] cole_h[?]: "Sure, door's unlocked!"

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: black says "do what you want, can I come in here?!"

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: lol

Move 12

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: so in go

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: when you make threats like the peep

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: and your opponent doesn't respond

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: you should follow up on your threat

[22:15] ldlework[5k]: for two reasons

[22:16] ldlework[5k]: 1, you already invested at least one stone in making the threat

[22:16] ldlework[5k]: so if you don't, that was a waste

[22:16] ldlework[5k]: 2, you have to not let your opponent think they can ignore your threats lol

Move 13

[22:16] ldlework[5k]: natural

Move 14

[22:17] ldlework[5k]: just trying to keep black separated

[22:17] manveru[?]: My idea here was that i could still starve that group... way too greedy

[22:17] ldlework[5k]: an keep my liberty options open

Move 15

[22:17] ldlework[5k]: i dunno about this move

[22:17] cole_h[?]: And to make sure I still have my fundamentals: G5 has 3 liberties on this turn

[22:17] ldlework[5k]: yeah

[22:17] ldlework[5k]: black is asking

[22:17] ldlework[5k]: can I cut this stone off?

Move 14

[22:18] ldlework[5k]: the relationship between A and B is a kosumi

[22:18] ldlework[5k]: it's a nice move

[22:18] ldlework[5k]: because 1 and 2 are miai

[22:18] ldlework[5k]: if black 1, white 2

[22:18] ldlework[5k]: if black 2, white 1

[22:19] ldlework[5k]: so black is attacking the kosomi, forcing white to connect

Move 16

[22:19] ldlework[5k]: but i'm still separating black

Move 17

[22:19] ldlework[5k]: black is hangry

[22:19] ldlework[5k]: lol

[22:19] cole_h[?]: I like that description

[22:19] ldlework[5k]: wants to eat my group

[22:19] cole_h[?]: :P

Move 18

[22:19] ldlework[5k]: this is a nice tesuji

[22:20] ldlework[5k]: black will have to spend two moves

Move 17

[22:20] ldlework[5k]: white could also form a kosumi

Move 18

[22:21] ldlework[5k]: but my thinking was

[22:21] ldlework[5k]: E6 puts F6 into a shortage

Move 19

[22:21] ldlework[5k]: black fixes

Move 20

[22:21] ldlework[5k]: since i know i'm connected here for the time being, i don't want the black stones to get ahead

Move 19 + 2

[22:22] ldlework[5k]: this is not good

Move 21

[22:22] ldlework[5k]: black using kosumi magic

Move 22

[22:22] ldlework[5k]: my two stones need some help

[22:23] ldlework[5k]: i need enough room to make two eyes in here afterall

[22:23] ldlework[5k]: if i can't do that they're deadzo

[22:23] cole_h[?]: They been kinda lonely for a bit

[22:23] ldlework[5k]: yah

Move 23

[22:23] ldlework[5k]: i don't hate this

[22:23] ldlework[5k]: black knows he's connected

[22:24] ldlework[5k]: so he is using that strength to destroy white territory

[22:24] ldlework[5k]: it's a big move

Move 24

[22:24] ldlework[5k]: i am going to threaten black's connectivity

[22:24] ldlework[5k]: while also giving myself more eye space

Move 25

[22:25] ldlework[5k]: black doesn't wanna get cut

[22:25] ldlework[5k]: kosumi magic

Move 26

[22:25] ldlework[5k]: white pokes

Move 27

[22:25] ldlework[5k]: black fixes

Move 28

[22:25] ldlework[5k]: my turn to scoop

[22:25] ldlework[5k]: :P

[22:26] cole_h[?]: It's free real estate

[22:26] ldlework[5k]: while also putting real pressure on the three stones

[22:26] ldlework[5k]: what is black's only real move here?

[22:26] cole_h[?]: I would go G6 if I were black

[22:26] ldlework[5k]: agreed

[22:27] ldlework[5k]: white basically asking them to

[22:27] ldlework[5k]: it's a self-peep

[22:27] ldlework[5k]: :)

Move 29

[22:27] ldlework[5k]: :O

[22:27] cole_h[?]: :O

[22:27] cole_h[?]: "Nothing personnel (sic), kid."

[22:27] ldlework[5k]: manveru what do you have to say about this!

[22:27] manveru[?]: worst move of this game :P

[22:27] ldlework[5k]: hahaha

Move 28 + 10

[22:28] cole_h[?]: That's good

[22:28] ldlework[5k]: i think it ultimately worked

Move 28 + 2

[22:28] manveru[?]: pretty much what i was afraid of

[22:28] cole_h[?]: I like those corner eyes

Move 28 + 10

[22:29] ldlework[5k]: in 9x9 they're good

[22:29] ldlework[5k]: in larger boards it means you got smushed down :)

[22:29] ldlework[5k]: or you filled someone's territory

[22:29] ldlework[5k]: so yeah they're good

Move 32

[22:29] manveru[?]: at this point my only option was to capture that stone along with the center groups

Move 34

[22:29] manveru[?]: so i let it connect

[22:30] ldlework[5k]: well this was a forcing move

[22:30] manveru[?]: but you didn't...

[22:30] ldlework[5k]: i thought I could do this first

[22:30] ldlework[5k]: then come back

Move 35

[22:30] ldlework[5k]: I did not expect this tesuji

[22:30] ldlework[5k]: lol

[22:30] ldlework[5k]: very nice

Move 36

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: i think what i was thinking

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: even though you have a liberty there

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: if i could squeeze you on the other side

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: when you tried to run this way at the end

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: it wouldn't help

Move 36 + 4

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: and then you'd be done

[22:31] ldlework[5k]: so i figured prioritize the bigger sides

Move 37

[22:32] ldlework[5k]: so good

[22:32] ldlework[5k]: nice move dude

Move 38

[22:32] ldlework[5k]: atari

Move 39

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: now i'm in atari

Move 41

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: OK

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: let's count liberties

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: black has 3

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: but 2 of the liberties

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: will take 2 moves EACH

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: to take

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: since they form tiger's mouths

[22:33] ldlework[5k]: $*!% unbelievable

[22:34] cole_h[?]: D9, E8, and G9, yes?

[22:34] ldlework[5k]: yes

[22:34] ldlework[5k]: do you see why it would take 2 moves to fill d9

[22:34] cole_h[?]: Yep. I fyou go straight for it, that's atari since black would come in at C9

[22:34] ldlework[5k]: yes

[22:34] ldlework[5k]: so black has effectively 5 liberties

[22:34] ldlework[5k]: lol

[22:34] cole_h[?]: bruh

[22:34] ldlework[5k]: the left white group has 4

[22:35] ldlework[5k]: the small group on the top right has 3

[22:35] ldlework[5k]: but has connections out

[22:35] ldlework[5k]: but to a group that has 4

[22:35] ldlework[5k]: 3

[22:35] ldlework[5k]: You can see that E5 is starting to become important for white

[22:36] ldlework[5k]: so it's actually really hard

[22:36] ldlework[5k]: to understand who's winning

[22:36] ldlework[5k]: black is sealed in, can't make two eyes

[22:36] ldlework[5k]: but has 5 effective liberties

[22:36] ldlework[5k]: white has less liberties, but has various ways to connect out

[22:36] ldlework[5k]: let's see

Move 42

[22:37] ldlework[5k]: i think this move is absolutely crucial

Move 41 + 1

[22:37] ldlework[5k]: hmm

[22:37] ldlework[5k]: i'm trying to remember black's way out at this point

Move 41 + 2

[22:38] ldlework[5k]: hmm

[22:38] ldlework[5k]: i can't find it

[22:38] ldlework[5k]: i remember thinking this move is crucial lol

Move 42

[22:39] cole_h[?]: heh

[22:39] ldlework[5k]: anyway now black has 4 liberties

[22:39] ldlework[5k]: white's group that had just 3 has 4 now

[22:39] ldlework[5k]: but it is black's turn

Move 41 + 10

[22:39] ldlework[5k]: ah

[22:39] ldlework[5k]: that's right

[22:39] ldlework[5k]: there we go

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: i'll run that again

Move 41 + 1

[22:40] cole_h[?]: Please do. I glanced away for a sec lol

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: white doesn't go to H9

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: which they need to do right now

Move 41 + 2

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: black jumps in

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: threating J6

Move 41 + 3

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: white fixes

[22:40] ldlework[5k]: wait

Move 41 + 3

[22:41] ldlework[5k]: lol

[22:41] ldlework[5k]: wtf

[22:41] cole_h[?]: :D

[22:41] ldlework[5k]: manveru why did you do this?

Move 43 + 4

[22:41] ldlework[5k]: yeah i don't get it

Move 43

[22:41] manveru[?]: lol

[22:41] ldlework[5k]: in the game

[22:41] ldlework[5k]: I was like OHHH NOOOOO

Move 41 + 7

[22:42] cole_h[?]: woah

[22:42] ldlework[5k]: yeah that move is no good manveru sorry

[22:42] ldlework[5k]: lol

Move 52

[22:43] ldlework[5k]: lol

[22:43] ldlework[5k]: in the game

[22:43] ldlework[5k]: i actually did this

Move 51 + 1

[22:43] ldlework[5k]: lol

[22:43] cole_h[?]: I wish review showed undos as well :D

[22:43] ldlework[5k]: manveru do you remember how you responded?

[22:43] manveru[?]: sure

[22:44] ldlework[5k]: you can't show us, you'll have to say it

Move 51 + 2

[22:44] manveru[?]: ah

[22:44] manveru[?]: with E5

Move 51 + 1

[22:44] ldlework[5k]: i knew that was the killer

[22:44] ldlework[5k]: but was it right now?

Move 51 + 8

[22:44] ldlework[5k]: ah yes it was

Move 51 + 2

[22:44] manveru[?]: yeah

[22:44] ldlework[5k]: ok cole

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: this puts white into atari

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: so white has to capture

Move 51 + 3

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: white gained a shortage

Move 51 + 4

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: black ataris

Move 51 + 5

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: white fixes

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: and makes a shortage

Move 51 + 6

[22:45] ldlework[5k]: black ataris

Move 51 + 7

[22:46] ldlework[5k]: white fixes to make a shortage

Move 51 + 8

[22:46] ldlework[5k]: black ataris

[22:46] ldlework[5k]: white cannot play into D9

[22:46] cole_h[?]: Dayum that's pretty big

[22:46] ldlework[5k]: since it would take white's last liberty without killing any black

[22:46] ldlework[5k]: black wins the game here

Move 51 + 2

[22:47] ldlework[5k]: luckily

[22:47] ldlework[5k]: i read that out right here without playing it through

[22:47] ldlework[5k]: and asked for an undo XD

[22:47] cole_h[?]: Brain going 10000MPH

[22:47] ldlework[5k]: so manveru won in that sense

Move 52

[22:47] ldlework[5k]: so white fixes instead

Move 53

[22:47] ldlework[5k]: this is no longer atari

Move 61

[22:48] ldlework[5k]: this is atari on white

[22:48] ldlework[5k]: so white is forced to capture

Move 68

[22:48] ldlework[5k]: black is not fully connected

[22:48] ldlework[5k]: so i was just teasing here

Move 69

[22:48] ldlework[5k]: that's it!

[22:49] cole_h[?]: Dang

[22:49] manveru[?]: thanks for the review again

[22:49] ldlework[5k]: of course, i'm very happy to play you guys

[22:49] cole_h[?]: That woulda had be in the hospital with a heart attack

[22:49] cole_h[?]: Intense

[22:49] cole_h[?]: s/be/me/

[22:49] manveru[?]: gotta head out, hope we can play a normal one tomorrow :)

[22:49] ldlework[5k]: manveru i definitely want to see you play graham

[22:50] ldlework[5k]: he has picked up a lot really fast

[22:50] manveru[?]: sounds fun

[22:50] cole_h[?]: gc has a huge brain

[22:50] ldlework[5k]: he actually studies on a go board made from his brain

[22:50] ldlework[5k]: while he sits on a chair also made from his brain

[22:50] cole_h[?]: Hahahaha

[22:50] ldlework[5k]: cole do you want to play one?

[22:51] cole_h[?]: I have lecture soon, sorry

[22:51] ldlework[5k]: right on. see ya!

[22:51] cole_h[?]: See you later :)

[22:51] cole_h[?]: Thanks again