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Move 19
September 12, 2015
yuri[5k]: i think b14 is a little passive, i mean its nice and everything, but the group is settled.
Move 26
yuri[5k]: and this followup definitely favors white
Move 27
yuri[5k]: k16 is kind of a strange approach, because it really invites an extension from r16
Move 28
yuri[5k]: i think its better to use the d15 wall to drive B against here rather than taking territory at this point
yuri[5k]: cause then you get to take territory on the top and protect r16 in the same motion
Move 34
yuri[5k]: somehow it really pains me to see q16 left empty here
Move 51
yuri[5k]: this is one of those difficult points in the review where both w and b had such strange notions that both could have gotten a much better result
Move 43
yuri[5k]: w didn't get a super great position here. traded the corner for a low wall at m16
Move 19
yuri[5k]: $*!% it, used to doing this live..ignore this unordered section, i'll put all the comments in the moves
Move 61
yuri[5k]: there we go, thats pretty nice. development and semi-direct threat
Move 1
yuri[5k]: hi sax
Move 21
saxmaam[10k]: ok, how about that big enclosure on bottom right? good?
yuri[5k]: oh, you know, i wouldn't have done that
yuri[5k]: but i'm not confident in saying its bad
Move 19
saxmaam[10k]: seems like a thing that DDK wouldn't know how to use
Move 21
yuri[5k]: its a big influence play, and as we see later clearly doesn't seal the corner
Move 19
saxmaam[10k]: ie - me
Move 21
yuri[5k]: yeah, it seems like it would be a valid structure for a stronger player
yuri[5k]: but* if you look ahead, that turns into an area of such strong B influence
yuri[5k]: that it wins back a lost game for B...so, maybe its the perfect thing ? :)
Move 26
yuri[5k]: so I think B was making a mistake by crawling here
saxmaam[10k]: ok
yuri[5k]: C11 isn't very useful, and W got a nice big wall
yuri[5k]: and c7 is a good extension
Move 27
yuri[5k]: what do you think about K16?
saxmaam[10k]: I was just wondering how B could neutralize that wall
saxmaam[10k]: it happens to me all the time
yuri[5k]: thats a good question, but K16 maybe isn't a good way
saxmaam[10k]: I get big wall but opponent makes it not worth much
yuri[5k]: if W approaches from the left, then B can run into the wall or out
yuri[5k]: but B isn't making any territory, and W is by chasing B
yuri[5k]: thats what walls are good for, constraining your opponents movements
Move 28
yuri[5k]: but here, W played the wrong way
yuri[5k]: by taking territory off the wall too early
Move 29
saxmaam[10k]: what should W have done then?
yuri[5k]: now B is getting a position by attacking R16
Move 27 + 1
saxmaam[10k]: ok, you already answered that
saxmaam[10k]: sorry
yuri[5k]: thats fine
yuri[5k]: so you think that B has ruined whites top side
yuri[5k]: but really it still wasn't whites
yuri[5k]: and now the top right really is whites and B is on the run
Move 27 + 1
saxmaam[10k]: yeah, more like B can ruin W's investment
yuri[5k]: from what little i've been able to learn, taking territory directly is a losing game
yuri[5k]: if you take territory by chasing your opponent, thats how to win
yuri[5k]: because when your opponent is running, they aren't making any territory themselves
yuri[5k]: so i think this sets up a great running situation
yuri[5k]: whites wall on the left isn't under any threat
yuri[5k]: even if it doesn't make any territory directly
Move 28
yuri[5k]: so...anyways, thats why i think j17 is slack
Move 31
yuri[5k]: so Q17 turns out good for B, but i think its not a good move
yuri[5k]: those guys leave the cut at Q16 open forever
saxmaam[10k]: yeah, the advice is to hane on the outside
yuri[5k]: definately
yuri[5k]: then you can see B developing a position...this is...something
Move 35
yuri[5k]: this is one of those sad places where they are both making mistakes...so the outcome is largely random
Move 37
yuri[5k]: but W can't be too proud of the result
Move 53
yuri[5k]: ok, just a point about the line at r14....later these stones die
yuri[5k]: because W isn't really establishing a position, just plonking em down
yuri[5k]: they are a liability as soon as they are born
Move 46
saxmaam[10k]: ok
Move 47
yuri[5k]: b is chasing underneath to protect the cut at q16 (that $*!% thing)
Move 50 + 1
saxmaam[10k]: ooh, a new word
yuri[5k]: but here this is good enough, and W either walks from the stones or gives B a lot of territory
Move 45 + 3
yuri[5k]: this isn't great, but at least a position is being made
yuri[5k]: which new word?
Move 56
saxmaam[10k]: damez ....
yuri[5k]: oh yeah, damezumari
yuri[5k]: this hanging connection makes the situation even worse
Move 57
yuri[5k]: seems like a lot of this would have been avoided by not playing the hane on the inside
saxmaam[10k]: check
yuri[5k]: but B came out ok, because W is so weak
Move 61
yuri[5k]: those were all nice, understandable position developing moves
yuri[5k]: but Q9 is great
yuri[5k]: look at that extension, and look at poor W
yuri[5k]: but to go back to your earlier question, a classic shimmer would have been even better here
yuri[5k]: (shimari)
yuri[5k]: $*!% autocorrect
yuri[5k]: just as strong on the outside, but covers the inside as well
Move 62
yuri[5k]: so this attack is almost as dubious as the K16 one B did earlier
Move 63
yuri[5k]: and this cap by B is super-suspect
yuri[5k]: but what happens is that w and b calmly exchange the inside and the outside
yuri[5k]: w gets a corner, but it seems like w should ask for more here, given two B stones
yuri[5k]: attack and chase
Move 73
yuri[5k]: W wastes the aji at c11
Move 85
yuri[5k]: whats wrong with Bs position?
Move 73
saxmaam[10k]: locally?
Move 85
yuri[5k]: yeah, in the lower left
Move 73
saxmaam[10k]: no base, no territory
Move 85
yuri[5k]: yeah, its kinda scrunchy
Move 85 + 2
yuri[5k]: thats kinda the best you could imagine
yuri[5k]: and there is a defect at F4
Move 86
yuri[5k]: this isn't a bad move by W to try to make something out of those stones and extend the moyo
Move 88
yuri[5k]: this is a good direction, but the wrong attach
yuri[5k]: attack
yuri[5k]: where would you cut or invade or erase here?
Move 87
saxmaam[10k]: well, I just looked at your alternatives
yuri[5k]: (cheater)
saxmaam[10k]: from move 87 as white?
yuri[5k]: yeah
yuri[5k]: or do you think its worth saving R16?
saxmaam[10k]: hard to abandon R16
yuri[5k]: except is so gote :(
saxmaam[10k]: yeah, I guess let it go and something like o11?
yuri[5k]: 6 points in gote at this stage is probably not a good exchange
Move 87 + 1
yuri[5k]: thats not bad
saxmaam[10k]: though the 2 space jump looks awkward
yuri[5k]: no, i think thats a good space
yuri[5k]: your moving the moyo line between W and B
yuri[5k]: protecting the cut at Q12....
yuri[5k]: setting up an invasion at Q7
yuri[5k]: like that
yuri[5k]: where does B answer?
saxmaam[10k]: q10 would make W play empty triangle, but doesn't look good otherwise
saxmaam[10k]: o10 ... or is that also gote?
yuri[5k]: not so much the empty triangle, but it strengthens Bs space...i ask because i'm not sure
Move 87 + 2
yuri[5k]: that attachment isn't good
Move 87 + 2
saxmaam[10k]: meant o9
yuri[5k]: better just do this
yuri[5k]: oh, yeah, o9 is ok, just a little slow
saxmaam[10k]: ok
Move 92
yuri[5k]: ok, now it all gets very sad
yuri[5k]: b lets white do this when b didn't have to
Move 99
yuri[5k]: also a bad time to take r16, its points, but kind gote
yuri[5k]: leaves q13 looking poorly though
Move 101 + 1
yuri[5k]: thats probably better to capture, always have to try to make the most out of each move
Move 106
yuri[5k]: now b struggles and W wins
Move 148
yuri[5k]: this play on the bottom side by W turns out quite sad
yuri[5k]: not really getting anything but a big lump
yuri[5k]: and B succeeds in building a wall that establishes the game-winning moyo
Move 152 + 1
saxmaam[10k]: B wins
yuri[5k]: i think i made this comment a few times...try to connect without leaving those cuts
yuri[5k]: and B wins
yuri[5k]: but B shouldn't have won
yuri[5k]: W got that huge* lower left
yuri[5k]: so really this play on the bottom side lost W the game
Move 155 + 3
yuri[5k]: maybe not there, but W needed to arrange an invasion
Move 143 + 1
yuri[5k]: this guy has some potential
yuri[5k]: now whose game is it?
yuri[5k]: assuming Q7 lives
saxmaam[10k]: I'm not good at evealuating
yuri[5k]: where is B's house?
saxmaam[10k]: you mean no base for anything on lower right?
yuri[5k]: in the best case, how big are B's territories?
yuri[5k]: the middle is floating even if it all lives
yuri[5k]: pretty much just the three corners
saxmaam[10k]: best case ... I guess B gets small middle and pretty good sized LR
yuri[5k]: probably no middle
yuri[5k]: since H7 is still a huge liability
saxmaam[10k]: pl
saxmaam[10k]: ok
yuri[5k]: have to go soon, but lets see how this plays out
Move 194
yuri[5k]: lots of tesuji mistakes
yuri[5k]: can W live on the right?
saxmaam[10k]: tenuous
yuri[5k]: i couldn't find a way
saxmaam[10k]: could connect to upper, though
Move 195
yuri[5k]: where?
saxmaam[10k]: M15
Move 195 + 2
saxmaam[10k]: yeah, just some of it
yuri[5k]: if b gets that whole side, b wins
yuri[5k]: which...b did!
Move 221
yuri[5k]: H14 shouldn't have lived, that was just W being sloppy
yuri[5k]: w gets the lower right corner..and still loses
Move 271
yuri[5k]: that was..a. mistake
saxmaam[10k]: yeah
yuri[5k]: but regardless, building dumplings doesn't do you any good
yuri[5k]: even if they live
saxmaam[10k]: arenm
yuri[5k]: so I think that dumpling already killed white
saxmaam[10k]: arent there situations where dumpling takes points from opponent and decides the game?
yuri[5k]: only if its cutting i think
yuri[5k]: which this one wasn't
saxmaam[10k]: Ok
yuri[5k]: or if its an invasion i guess
yuri[5k]: but this one let B build a big wall, and gave no points to W
saxmaam[10k]: ok, I'll take a look at that later on
yuri[5k]: k. gotta go, lets do it again sometime
saxmaam[10k]: thanks!
saxmaam[10k]: bye
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