Edge Crush?

Move 22

Black[8d]

0 captures

White[8d]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Review by: saxmaam[18k]

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October 13, 2015

[23:49] Samraku[7k]: Variation: I think that black can kill. Think being the operative word. I may be missing something.

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[23:55] saxmaam[12k]: GoChild problem seems to think that B can kill.

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[23:55] saxmaam[12k]: but it isn't straightforward to me

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October 14, 2015

[12:46] saxmaam[12k]: Move 6 is starting point

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[12:49] crodgers[7k]: it looks to me like b can kill

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[12:49] saxmaam[12k]: would you show how, please?

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[12:50] crodgers[7k]: it's just a matter of handling the cuts, one throw in and be lacks two eyes after:

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[12:50] crodgers[7k]: Variation: here

[12:50] crodgers[7k]: be = b

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[12:50] saxmaam[12k]: right

[12:50] saxmaam[12k]: So it definitely involves a long crawl like that?

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[12:51] crodgers[7k]: looks like it to me

[12:51] crodgers[7k]: b can't really hane until that cut at S3 is protected in some way

[12:51] crodgers[7k]: which the second line does

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[12:51] saxmaam[12k]: Are you starting from move 6?

[12:52] crodgers[7k]: yes

[12:52] saxmaam[12k]: ok

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[12:52] crodgers[7k]: there is a squeeze variation here

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[12:52] crodgers[7k]: but it doesn't work in this case

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[12:52] crodgers[7k]: since b lacks a nice wall in the right place

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[12:54] crodgers[7k]: in this case, it's actually not even bad to just let w live

[12:54] crodgers[7k]: crawling on the second line is sad

[12:54] crodgers[7k]: and that wall is magnificent

[12:54] saxmaam[12k]: yeah, there's usually stones of one color or another nearby

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[12:54] crodgers[7k]: Variation: w would cut here

[12:55] crodgers[7k]: Variation: along with A and B this becomes dicey i think

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[12:55] saxmaam[12k]: So it looks to me that if W doesn't have any help nearby, B can come out well with this

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[12:56] crodgers[7k]: definitely

[12:56] crodgers[7k]: even if w has a group nearby, so long as it's not thick, b can turn around and attack that group

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October 15, 2015

[13:44] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: Doesn't look good for white.

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[13:44] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: Same form by another way.

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[13:44] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: So white would probably play here

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[13:45] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: Or here

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[13:45] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: I don't think that white can do better than something like this in the first case.

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[13:46] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: Not good for white.

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[13:46] Wulfenia[8k]: Variation: Not good, either.