Becoming SDK - Lesson 3

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Move 16

Black[1d]

0 captures

White[1d]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

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March 21, 2015

[21:05] Tarot[13k]: always assess point value of moves ... but I suppose there is a little more to it than that

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[21:05] noahthefuzzy[1k]: I would say that this variation for black after white cuts through isn't terriable for black. Black can tenuki and his corner is very strong

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[21:06] Tarot[13k]: it is so corner heavy in the opening ... is this an example of "avalanche?"

[21:06] animeboy225[20k]: Hi

[21:06] xhu98[4d]: Hey all

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[21:06] animeboy225[20k]: What's aji?

[21:06] apipoulai[15k]: hi xhu98

[21:06] noahthefuzzy[1k]: Hi

[21:06] apipoulai[15k]: aji means flavor...

[21:06] Tarot[13k]: hey xhu, hey 5000, thanks to both for help recently >^oo^<

[21:06] xhu98[4d]: Aji is the potential of creating complications

[21:07] Tarot[13k]: aji = tasty

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[21:07] animeboy225[20k]: Ok

[21:07] apipoulai[15k]: senseis: Aji

[21:07] Tarot[13k]: if it isn't yours

[21:07] Rataridicta[18k]: I'd describe it as aftertaste :P

[21:07] xhu98[4d]: Ajisen ramen?

[21:07] Tarot[13k]: yum yum

[21:07] apipoulai[15k]: oh great, now I'm hungry. Thanks.

[21:07] Rataridicta[18k]: prefer sushi ^^

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[21:08] xhu98[4d]: Haha

[21:08] Rataridicta[18k]: P15 is better right?

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[21:08] mark5000[2d]: Yes!

[21:08] Tarot[13k]: sorry arrived to the party late ... can someone describe to one w/ nose pressed against the sdk windowpane what is going on with northeast corner heavy opening ... all threats needed response, no other corner moves larger yet? Amazing, if so ...

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[21:08] noahthefuzzy[1k]: It's just an example

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[21:09] Tarot[13k]: ah, ok, making sense now!

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[21:09] noahthefuzzy[1k]: There would normally be other stones on the board

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[21:09] Tarot[13k]: [thought it was actual game, ok, up to speed now]

[21:09] animeboy225[20k]: But what do u mean by useless stones?

[21:09] Rataridicta[18k]: Well

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[21:10] Rataridicta[18k]: The stones that he captured are surrounded by black ones, while the gruop on O is needed to capture the group on N

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[21:10] Tarot[13k]: that is a nice trap

[21:10] animeboy225[20k]: Ohh

[21:10] Tarot[13k]: yesssss!

[21:10] Tarot[13k]: [said w/ snake slither]

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[21:11] Tarot[13k]: +there is snapback

[21:11] Tarot[13k]: if w does not respond, all 4 stones snacked

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[21:12] Rataridicta[18k]: is there a snapback??

[21:12] xhu98[4d]: Delicious White dumpling

[21:12] MaxDWolf[3k]: Technically not a snapback. Just a shortage of liberties.

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[21:12] Rataridicta[18k]: kk cool

[21:12] Tarot[13k]: Talking about killing all 4 stones

[21:12] animeboy225[20k]: R14 instead of the other move?

[21:12] Tarot[13k]: Play inside the tiger mouth

[21:13] Rataridicta[18k]: black turn

[21:13] Rataridicta[18k]: Probably stats with T6

[21:14] SJuice[10k]: T3 :P

[21:14] MaxDWolf[3k]: T3 works as well

[21:14] carmina[16k]: hi there

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[21:14] tinuviel[12k]: t6

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[21:15] Tarot[13k]: yup

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[21:15] Rataridicta[18k]: They both work don't they? xD

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[21:15] tinuviel[12k]: nope

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[21:15] MaxDWolf[3k]: I think fewer ko threats w. t6.

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[21:16] tinuviel[12k]: well, maybe

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[21:16] MaxDWolf[3k]: Yes. Both work.

[21:16] noahthefuzzy[1k]: They both work

[21:16] carmina[16k]: t3 is better isn't it

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[21:16] tinuviel[12k]: to involves an extra step doesn't it?

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[21:16] animeboy225[20k]: t6

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[21:16] tinuviel[12k]: t3

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[21:16] Rataridicta[18k]: T6 seems simpler to me

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[21:17] tinuviel[12k]: *t3 involves an extra step, doesn't it?

[21:18] MaxDWolf[3k]: Whoops t6 doesn't work. white t2.

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[21:18] Rataridicta[18k]: Not T4

[21:18] Rataridicta[18k]: NowT4

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[21:19] tinuviel[12k]: oh I see

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[21:20] carmina[16k]: oh nice

[21:20] animeboy225[20k]: Seki

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[21:20] Rataridicta[18k]: No not Seki, black can follow up with T1 and R1 to get more liberties ;)

[21:20] SJuice[10k]: lol white lives o__o ...

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[21:21] MaxDWolf[3k]: Can't play t1 white lives.

[21:21] Rataridicta[18k]: Yeah, came 2 1 move short in my reading :P

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[21:21] Rataridicta[18k]: The one without any liberties left on white max

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[21:24] carmina[16k]: r3

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[21:25] SJuice[10k]: lol

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[21:28] apipoulai[15k]: Thanks, mark5000

[21:28] SJuice[10k]: Thanks :)

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[21:28] tinuviel[12k]: thanks, mark!

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[21:28] Zizigooloo[15k]: Thanks

[21:28] MaxDWolf[3k]: Thanks you.

[21:28] animeboy225[20k]: Thanks

[21:28] Tom Newman[15k]: thank you.

[21:28] René[15k]: Thanks a lot mark

[21:29] mark5000[2d]: I'll add this post to the forum topic.

[21:29] mark5000[2d]: Please do not hesitate to check the former lessons if you missed them!

[21:29] René[15k]: one doubt

[21:29] mark5000[2d]: Find it here: becoming 9-kyu-a-series-for-beginners

[21:30] René[15k]: is it possible that the right move is to let white live to keep sente even though it looses roughly 30-40 points

[21:30] René[15k]: ?

[21:31] mark5000[2d]: It can be possible in certain cases, yes

[21:31] René[15k]: Oooo

[21:31] mark5000[2d]: In this case, it's hard to imagine a bigger move, but it is possible.

[21:31] René[15k]: depending on the miai value of other moves?

[21:32] mark5000[2d]: Right. Generally if you can capture a large group cleanly (6 stones or more) it's gonna be the best move.

[21:32] René[15k]: Okay :)

[21:32] mark5000[2d]: But remember to distinguish between pivotal stones and useless stones!

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[21:33] René[15k]: Thaanks :)

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[21:33] animeboy225[20k]: The show was awesome do more and more! :)

[21:34] mark5000[2d]: When I feel like it. :)

[21:34] mark5000[2d]: Probably Saturdays at this time most weeks.

[21:34] animeboy225[20k]: U know somthing?

[21:34] animeboy225[20k]: u and Xhu should do crossovers

[21:35] animeboy225[20k]: like one week xhu comes on ur show

[21:35] animeboy225[20k]: and u go on Fridays with xhu98

[21:35] animeboy225[20k]: u guys should try that that would be fun 2 super awesome people

[21:36] mark5000[2d]: We did once some weeks ago!

[21:36] mark5000[2d]: It's hard for me now that I'm working Fridays

[21:36] animeboy225[20k]: I know

[21:37] animeboy225[20k]: but then try to do it days like Holidays

[21:37] apipoulai[15k]: would n14 be bad here? for black

[21:37] animeboy225[20k]: It's like a holiday special

[21:41] mark5000[2d]: Yes, it would be bad for black

[21:41] xhu98[4d]: :)

[21:41] mark5000[2d]: The reason is because the stones are worthless

[21:41] apipoulai[15k]: ok

[21:41] mark5000[2d]: Why are they worthless?

[21:41] apipoulai[15k]: no influence?

[21:41] mark5000[2d]: Well they're not cutting stones, firstly

[21:41] mark5000[2d]: They're making no influence.

[21:42] mark5000[2d]: They're making no territory

[21:42] mark5000[2d]: They're sitting idly

[21:42] apipoulai[15k]: lazy stones!

[21:42] animeboy225[20k]: Wait so useles stones are stones that don't do any thing?

[21:42] mark5000[2d]: The purpose of this lesson is to help new players tell the difference between useful and useless stones

[21:42] animeboy225[20k]: Ok

[21:42] mark5000[2d]: In this case, any move to move the stones out helps white.

[21:43] animeboy225[20k]: Ok

[21:43] mark5000[2d]: Similarly, white is not well-served by trying to capture them. It's a kind of no-man's-land

[21:43] animeboy225[20k]: Ok

[21:43] mark5000[2d]: Play a big move in the opening instead.

[21:44] animeboy225[20k]: Ok

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[21:51] animeboy225[20k]: Variation: d1

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June 6, 2016

[16:23] QianDavid[18k]: Variation: d1

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August 7, 2017

[23:41] NickWilmes[12k]: Variation: 2

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December 18, 2017

[1:52] Joshuaplays[6k]: Variation: 3

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May 12, 2020

[2:26] piupiu[10k]: Hello

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November 3, 2020

[22:55] obwohl[10k]: Variation: 4

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February 13, 2025

[21:18] rskrakau[19k]: Variation: 5

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