“Bobby Fischer once said that the problem with chess is that you get the same exact starting position over and over. These days, there are millions of games in the database already, so it’s very hard to create original play, while chess960 is really your brain against mine. After the first or second move, you’re already thinking.” -Wesley So

The pie rule is a way to balance games that have a first-player advantage. Hex uses the pie rule, and gomoku uses a more intricate setup called Swap2. In go, we use the pie rule instead of komi. Since a move on the first line is much worse than komi while a move on the second is much better than komi, we also need a more intricate setup. Let P1 be the first player and P2 the second player:

  1. P1 plays the first 3 moves
  2. P2 plays the next 2 moves
  3. P1 plays the next 2 moves
  4. P2 choose a color
  5. The game begins with white playing next

Komi is 0, and we recommend Chinese rules to prevent most ties. Additionally, each stone placed in the setup must have four liberties; this prevents first-line plays and contact plays.

Note: Pie rule only works for games between evenly-ranked players.

Our tentative name for this setup is 3-2-2 pie rule. Because there is no komi, black’s first few moves must be a bit worse than usual. In each round of placements, players want to create a fair board, or punish the other player for creating an unfair board. We let each player place stones to prevent one player studying a particular opening beforehand. This setup could increase to 5-2-2 or 5-4-4, but placing 7 moves on the board before the regular game starts feels like the right minimalist approach.


In delayed komi, players place black and white stones like they are playing a normal game. After so many moves, they pause and use an AI to determine what the komi should be.

Deferred bidding is similar to delayed komi, although after so many moves, the two players bid for komi instead of having the AI tell them what it should be.

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Quotes about chess 960, and possible implications for go with AI?

Sat, Feb 26, 2022 6:57 PM - Profile pictureNate the Great[2d]

“In chess so much depends on opening theory, so the champions before the last century did not know nearly as much as I do and other players do about opening theory. So if you just brought them back from the dead they wouldn’t do well. They’d get bad openings. You cannot compare the playing strength, you can only talk about natural ability. Memorisation is enormously powerful. Some kid of fourteen today, or even younger, could get an opening advantage against Capablanca, and especially against the players of the previous century, like Morphy and Steinitz. Maybe they would still be able to outplay the young kid of today. Or maybe not, because nowadays when you get the opening advantage not only do you get the opening advantage, you know how to play, they have so many examples of what to do from this position. It is really deadly, and that is why I don’t like chess any more… [Capablanca] wanted to change the rules [of chess] already, back in the twenties, because he said chess was getting played out. He was right. Now chess is completely dead. It’s a joke. It’s all just memorisation and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative.” -Bobby Fischer

https://chess960.net/chess-quotes/

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