Game Finished

Move 82

zampana[?]

0 captures

Igoru[16k]

1 capture

+ 6.5

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Rules: Japanese

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Move 1

January 26, 2025

[19:49] Igoru[16k]: Hello

[19:49] zampana[25k]: hey!

Move 3

[19:49] zampana[25k]: my first live review wicked

Move 4

[19:49] Igoru[16k]: As for now you need to concentrate on corners sides and centre

[19:50] Igoru[16k]: to protect +/- corner you need two stones

[19:50] zampana[25k]: right

Move 4 + 1

[19:50] Igoru[16k]: Variation: I would suggest this one

[19:50] zampana[25k]: yes makes sense

[19:50] zampana[25k]: rather than extending to sides with unprotected corners

[19:50] Igoru[16k]: Now W very difficult to approach corner

[19:50] Igoru[16k]: and in the opening there are still more big places

[19:51] zampana[25k]: got it

[19:51] Igoru[16k]: yes

[19:51] Igoru[16k]: do not be confused corners-sides

[19:51] zampana[25k]: once a corner has two stones then we can think about a side placement?

[19:51] Igoru[16k]: it means really start from protecting corners

[19:51] Igoru[16k]: yes

[19:51] zampana[25k]: right

[19:51] Igoru[16k]: for now yes

[19:51] zampana[25k]: both corners prob ya?

[19:51] Igoru[16k]: if opponent will let you - then yes :D

[19:52] Igoru[16k]: but in normal calm game - yes

[19:52] zampana[25k]: yes was just thinking. aggro opponents are jumping in early

[19:52] Igoru[16k]: we will back to this

Move 4 + 2

[19:52] zampana[25k]: never know if i should defend immediately or take initiative in corners they havent

Move 4 + 4

[19:52] zampana[25k]: k

[19:52] Igoru[16k]: Which side better to play for B now?

[19:53] zampana[25k]: i would initially have said top as sides are attacking but maybe the side is better

[19:53] Igoru[16k]: just say something like Q10

[19:53] zampana[25k]: ya

[19:53] Igoru[16k]: coordinates give me

[19:53] zampana[25k]: same

[19:53] Igoru[16k]: Q10 is just example

[19:53] Igoru[16k]: it could be right :)

[19:53] zampana[25k]: its pushing into white though vs pure defence at l16

[19:54] zampana[25k]: maybe because r15

[19:54] zampana[25k]: nicer extension than on left?

[19:54] Igoru[16k]: so potentially you already playing inside your potential territory

[19:54] zampana[25k]: right

[19:55] Igoru[16k]: it is not so true yet but could be

[19:55] zampana[25k]: right

[19:55] Igoru[16k]: now looks at the board and find the biggest open space sides

[19:55] zampana[25k]: we want to place in potential at this point?

[19:55] Igoru[16k]: you need to play not just to take your points but to give less to W

[19:55] zampana[25k]: right

[19:56] zampana[25k]: so anywhere along or near 10 line it feels like?

[19:56] Igoru[16k]: place where two can have more points better then where only one can take

[19:56] zampana[25k]: anything less we give up too much and anything more extend too far?

Move 4 + 5

[19:57] Igoru[16k]: as your two stones pointing to RED direction you need to continue this way

[19:57] zampana[25k]: oh wow ok ya

[19:57] zampana[25k]: interesting

[19:57] zampana[25k]: never thought of that but it makes sense

Move 4 + 9

[19:58] Igoru[16k]: lol i don't know how to remove stones :)

[19:58] zampana[25k]: ha

[19:58] zampana[25k]: have to go back and do a new variation

Move 4 + 25

[19:58] Igoru[16k]: now C10 makes more sense

[19:58] Igoru[16k]: even more

[19:58] Igoru[16k]: because if you would not take this , then W would

[19:59] zampana[25k]: right nice

[19:59] Igoru[16k]: so first thing to think is enclosure of corner

[19:59] Igoru[16k]: then find the more open space side

Move 8

[19:59] zampana[25k]: ok yes

Move 7

[19:59] zampana[25k]: 100% thx

[20:00] Igoru[16k]: What do you think now about F17 stone?

[20:00] zampana[25k]: well its a little low?

[20:00] zampana[25k]: f15 might be a better spot?

[20:00] Igoru[16k]: just imaging Blue box as yours territory

[20:01] Igoru[16k]: you just put stone inside it

[20:01] Igoru[16k]: -1 point

[20:01] zampana[25k]: ahhh yes so f15 would be out of the box - we must want to define strong edges?

[20:01] zampana[25k]: right

[20:01] zampana[25k]: or expand it?

[20:01] Igoru[16k]: F15 is the biggest now empty side at the board?

[20:02] zampana[25k]: well prob lower like e13 or so - i never know how far is too far

[20:02] Igoru[16k]: let's skip now that you not protecting any corners yet - you didn't know

[20:02] zampana[25k]: yes right

Move 6 + 1

[20:03] zampana[25k]: i did in theory know protect corners but bringing to game is still weak

[20:03] Igoru[16k]: ok, how many points this move does?

[20:03] zampana[25k]: something like that?

[20:03] zampana[25k]: oh wow ok

[20:03] Igoru[16k]: W can go inside and destroy it

[20:03] zampana[25k]: yes

[20:04] zampana[25k]: right thats what i mean about playing too wide

[20:04] Igoru[16k]: and this stone far away from others so disconnected

Move 7

[20:04] zampana[25k]: still trying too imagine the strength of stones and groups and how far we can play from them

Move 6 + 1

[20:05] Igoru[16k]: maybe i would play this one, but again when corners protected

[20:05] zampana[25k]: right got it

Move 10

[20:05] Igoru[16k]: Ok now

[20:05] Igoru[16k]: What do you think about two W stones ?

[20:06] zampana[25k]: well they're strong, my q17 is very weak

[20:06] Igoru[16k]: nope they are not stron

[20:06] zampana[25k]: because they can be cut?

[20:06] Igoru[16k]: they cannot be cut

[20:07] Igoru[16k]: but they have no space to create two eyes

[20:07] zampana[25k]: hmmm

Move 10 + 1

[20:07] Igoru[16k]: still not able create two eyes, but B got some solid territory

Move 10 + 3

[20:08] Igoru[16k]: who is in better position now? :)

[20:08] zampana[25k]: id say black???

Move 10 + 5

[20:09] Igoru[16k]: even now W need to run away

[20:09] Igoru[16k]: of course they will find the way :)

[20:09] Igoru[16k]: but while you running you normally not making points

Move 11

[20:10] zampana[25k]: running diagonally id guess?

[20:10] Igoru[16k]: diagonally makes cutting points :)

[20:10] zampana[25k]: yes right we dont like those haha

[20:10] Igoru[16k]: but any way just showing that instead of Q16 - peep is better just protect

Move 16

[20:10] zampana[25k]: yes - playing from outside rather than so centrally

[20:11] Igoru[16k]: Now B facing the problem

[20:11] Igoru[16k]: another name of Go game is ????

[20:11] Igoru[16k]: Surrounding Game

[20:11] zampana[25k]: right

[20:11] zampana[25k]: ok

[20:11] zampana[25k]: nice

[20:11] Igoru[16k]: do not let be yourself surrounded

Move 17

[20:12] Igoru[16k]: D12 already slow

[20:12] Igoru[16k]: but ok

Move 18

[20:12] zampana[25k]: when you say slow what do you mean?

[20:12] Igoru[16k]: i still now in a hurry and protecting the corner :)

[20:12] Igoru[16k]: ok

[20:12] Igoru[16k]: check now W and B

[20:12] Igoru[16k]: we put same count of stones

[20:13] Igoru[16k]: but i spread them around the board

[20:13] zampana[25k]: yes

[20:13] Igoru[16k]: and my groups are strong now

[20:13] zampana[25k]: way more potential

[20:13] Igoru[16k]: yes

[20:13] Igoru[16k]: and you putting all in one side

Move 19

[20:14] zampana[25k]: totally

[20:14] Igoru[16k]: C10 - like oh sorry can i pleas be here too?

[20:14] zampana[25k]: haha

[20:14] zampana[25k]: timid

[20:14] Igoru[16k]: at lest C9

[20:14] zampana[25k]: right

[20:14] zampana[25k]: how about F9 too much?

Move 18 + 2

[20:15] Igoru[16k]: Yes W can be cut

[20:15] Igoru[16k]: but F9 not making any job

[20:15] zampana[25k]: right ok

[20:16] Igoru[16k]: so think about this way - territory is 3 or 4 line

[20:16] zampana[25k]: ok great

Move 20 + 3

[20:17] Igoru[16k]: Variation: better i would say

[20:18] zampana[25k]: ok

Move 28

[20:18] Igoru[16k]: try to avoid to play on 2 and 1 lines during the early stage of the game except this is vital for your group

Move 23

[20:18] zampana[25k]: ok

Move 41

[20:18] Igoru[16k]: To many cutting points

Move 23

[20:19] zampana[25k]: so when i cut i try and think out if i can atari and if i can i think i am safe - is that not good way to think?

[20:19] zampana[25k]: or when i offer a cut

Move 40 + 1

[20:20] Igoru[16k]: just protect

[20:20] Igoru[16k]: do not complicate

Move 23

[20:20] zampana[25k]: ok great

Move 40 + 2

[20:20] Igoru[16k]: because then i need fix to

[20:20] Igoru[16k]: and i don't like yours D9

[20:20] Igoru[16k]: now you cannot see it but

Move 40 + 5

[20:21] Igoru[16k]: this is not how it works but it could be annoying

Move 48

[20:21] Igoru[16k]: so i fix it just for sure :)

Move 49

[20:21] zampana[25k]: got it!

Move 50 + 1

[20:21] Igoru[16k]: fix it

[20:21] zampana[25k]: great

Move 55

[20:22] Igoru[16k]: no reason for C11

[20:22] Igoru[16k]: but i guess to much info for you already :)

Move 58

[20:22] zampana[25k]: hahaha

Move 72

[20:22] zampana[25k]: protect corners, fix cuts

Move 75

[20:22] zampana[25k]: see the open spaces

[20:22] zampana[25k]: these are all excellent

Move 76

[20:23] Igoru[16k]: H19 very very annoying

[20:23] zampana[25k]: haha youre telling me!

Move 76 + 2

[20:23] zampana[25k]: thats where i freak out

Move 76 + 5

[20:24] Igoru[16k]: something like that

[20:24] zampana[25k]: so sort of contain

Move 76

[20:24] zampana[25k]: rather than trying to isolate

[20:25] Igoru[16k]: if W strong and has L18 they can jump to H19

[20:25] Igoru[16k]: this called Monkey Jump

[20:25] zampana[25k]: got it

Move 78

[20:25] Igoru[16k]: Variation: but yes

[20:25] zampana[25k]: nice

[20:25] Igoru[16k]: B got a lot in the corner

[20:25] Igoru[16k]: good player could crush W still

[20:25] zampana[25k]: no way really?

[20:26] zampana[25k]: i guess knowing how to invade ya

[20:26] zampana[25k]: exactly

[20:26] Igoru[16k]: still a lot of place to invade

[20:26] zampana[25k]: awesome

Move 78 + 4

[20:26] Igoru[16k]: actually don't know

[20:26] Igoru[16k]: i would try to kill :D

[20:26] zampana[25k]: haha

[20:27] Igoru[16k]: B got the base but base is only for one eye

[20:27] zampana[25k]: feels hopeless to me but with practice i will find optimism

[20:27] Igoru[16k]: forgot about hopeless

[20:27] Igoru[16k]: do not use

[20:27] zampana[25k]: ok!

[20:27] Igoru[16k]: hopeless word :D

[20:28] zampana[25k]: def

[20:28] zampana[25k]: thats amazing thanks so much for doing this

[20:28] Igoru[16k]: it is not easy , learning curve is very high

[20:28] zampana[25k]: feel like ive learned so much in this hr

[20:28] zampana[25k]: it is

[20:28] Igoru[16k]: but step by step

[20:28] zampana[25k]: but thats what makes is wicked

[20:28] Igoru[16k]: a lot of lost games

[20:28] Igoru[16k]: you just got some info

[20:28] Igoru[16k]: now try to use it

[20:29] zampana[25k]: we can play again when ive gotten myself under 20

[20:29] Igoru[16k]: you will fail a lot

[20:29] zampana[25k]: def

[20:29] zampana[25k]: thats a given hah

[20:29] Igoru[16k]: because opponents know this info to and will try to prevent

[20:29] zampana[25k]: of course

[20:29] zampana[25k]: always someone better

[20:29] Igoru[16k]: Go in mostly cases is the game of trade

[20:30] zampana[25k]: nice

[20:30] zampana[25k]: thank you!

[20:30] Igoru[16k]: and in the high level it will be game of mutual destruction :D

[20:30] zampana[25k]: haha excellent!

[20:30] Igoru[16k]: :)

[20:30] Igoru[16k]: ok need to go now , hope it will give you some boost

[20:31] zampana[25k]: that helps so much very appreciated

[20:31] zampana[25k]: !

[20:31] zampana[25k]: have a great day

[20:31] Igoru[16k]: you are welcome

[20:31] Igoru[16k]: c u next time