Game Finished

Move 221

Secretuse[1k]

25 captures

Real MonKi[7k]

4 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Review by: ...

Move 0

February 1, 2019

[11:46] MOpHeAD[5k]: yup

Move 8

[11:46] MOpHeAD[5k]: with this one i was aiming to go back to H3

[11:47] MOpHeAD[5k]: was aiming to capture K4 orF3

[11:48] Secretuse[2d]: It is too early to play H3. There so many big points available yet. Do you know priority of getting points in go?

[11:48] MOpHeAD[5k]: but you didnt let me extend up :/

[11:48] MOpHeAD[5k]: with H3

[11:49] MOpHeAD[5k]: does that add up what im saying?

[11:49] Secretuse[2d]: Priorities or direction of play if you want, are like that. 1) take empty corners.

[11:49] Secretuse[2d]: 2) attack or secure non-symetrical corners

[11:50] Secretuse[2d]: 3) attack or secure symmetrical corners or take sides.

[11:50] Secretuse[2d]: 4) take center

[11:51] Secretuse[2d]: There are plenty of easy moves like O17, R14, R6, even K17 or R10. Aiming to play H3 now has lower priority.

[11:52] MOpHeAD[5k]: well i seen a few professional games and they would somehow manage to then take left or right side

[11:52] MOpHeAD[5k]: giveing the opponent option to fight for one group as they sorround the other?

[11:53] MOpHeAD[5k]: i alweys feel the need to be more agressive as white

[11:53] Secretuse[2d]: I would say, those professional (unless they are from Korea) would also prefer attacking corner instead of H3

[11:54] MOpHeAD[5k]: im not sure where they from because the title is in asian charachters :P

[11:54] Secretuse[2d]: If you wanted to play H3, you should play it instead of move D7

[11:54] MOpHeAD[5k]: can you show the differance?

[11:56] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah i had no chance with joseki agaisnt you probably :P

[11:57] Secretuse[2d]: Aiming at H3 now is clearly attack on black position, but it is not done as attmept to settle white corner. It is invasion, which is matter of middle game.

[11:58] Secretuse[2d]: It is bad to play endgame move in middle game. With same principle in mind, it si bad to play middle game moves in opening.

[11:58] Secretuse[2d]: It is still opening phase of game,

[11:58] MOpHeAD[5k]: i see so mabey this move would be better once we played other 2 corners?

[11:59] Secretuse[2d]: Exactly, that is what I am saying. It is not proper time to aim at H3 right now.

[11:59] MOpHeAD[5k]: ok what about a little further when i was trying to make life at that bottom part

Move 15

[12:00] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: here?

Move 8

[12:01] MOpHeAD[5k]: i wanted to connect bottom 2 stones or was that not a thing?

[12:01] Secretuse[2d]: Anyway, I wanted to tell, that O3 is also not good move for opening. You are going into tight section, where black has advantage of extra stone. Move like O3 is meant to play if you are losing and you need to make some desperate fight to change course game.

Move 12

[12:03] MOpHeAD[5k]: hai

Move 15

[12:03] MOpHeAD[5k]: here?

Move 19

[12:04] MOpHeAD[5k]: should i have gone the other way?

Move 19 + 1

[12:04] MOpHeAD[5k]: hmm yeah

Move 19 + 2

[12:04] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: ?

Move 19 + 9

[12:05] MOpHeAD[5k]: pretty messy for both of us

Move 19 + 13

[12:05] MOpHeAD[5k]: brb wait

[12:06] MOpHeAD[5k]: sorry electric guy came

[12:06] MOpHeAD[5k]: im back

[12:07] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah i like this better for me than what i got

Move 19 + 5

[12:08] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: ?

[12:09] MOpHeAD[5k]: ahh yes i see

Move 40

[12:10] MOpHeAD[5k]: what about this group of yours?

Move 43

[12:10] MOpHeAD[5k]: shouldnt it be dead somehow?

[12:11] MOpHeAD[5k]: what was the move that said its alive

[12:11] Secretuse[2d]: No, black is alive. You can try something else if you want. :-)

Move 43 + 1

[12:11] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: ?

Move 41 + 1

[12:12] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: or

Move 43 + 2

[12:13] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah right :/

Move 43 + 1

[12:13] MOpHeAD[5k]: i was thinking about thateing that atari first

[12:14] MOpHeAD[5k]: but o was scared of something crazy

Move 43 + 8

[12:15] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah like that

Move 43 + 9

[12:15] MOpHeAD[5k]: ko is no good tho :P

[12:15] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah right

Move 43 + 12

[12:16] MOpHeAD[5k]: but i can also threat on right side ? no?

[12:17] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah thats true missed that

[12:17] Secretuse[2d]: You can threat, but if black ignores white threat, white position at bottom is annihilated.

Move 33 + 1

[12:17] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: ?

Move 43 + 12

[12:17] Secretuse[2d]: If white loses ko, it is practically game over.

Move 33 + 2

[12:18] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: thats what i didnt want

[12:18] Secretuse[2d]: Exactly

[12:18] Secretuse[2d]: Thst is asking for trouble.

Move 43

[12:19] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah here i got stuck

[12:20] MOpHeAD[5k]: mabey run back to D10 would be way safer

[12:20] Secretuse[2d]: ANd how did you got into that problem? You attacked too soon. It is good to attack when you have support around.

[12:20] MOpHeAD[5k]: yup XD

Move 57 + 3

[12:21] MOpHeAD[5k]: hmm that should of been mine

Move 57 + 7

[12:21] MOpHeAD[5k]: or like that

Move 57 + 8

[12:22] MOpHeAD[5k]: getting more of an outer wall

Move 57 + 8

[12:23] MOpHeAD[5k]: but i have alot of space to run no?

[12:24] MOpHeAD[5k]: M7?

[12:24] Secretuse[2d]: Yes, of course. I just show alternative for black instead of crawling on second line.

[12:24] MOpHeAD[5k]: i see

Move 76

[12:25] Secretuse[2d]: What was purpose of this move

Move 65 + 1

[12:25] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: how would you go?

Move 65 + 2

[12:26] Secretuse[2d]: what now?

Move 67 + 3

[12:27] MOpHeAD[5k]: im not sure i was looking at something like this

[12:27] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: trying to create some sort of double atari

[12:27] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: trying to create some sort of double atarior fake ladder into capture

Move 67 + 6

[12:28] MOpHeAD[5k]: wouldnt you take that atari first?

[12:28] MOpHeAD[5k]: E7

Move 67 + 3

[12:28] MOpHeAD[5k]: right yeah

Move 67 + 4

[12:29] MOpHeAD[5k]: go back to the one where you were escapeing that one was more interesting

Move 76

[12:30] Secretuse[2d]: Was this meant as ladderbreaker?

[12:30] MOpHeAD[5k]: yes as well as something to run to with mid

[12:30] MOpHeAD[5k]: and that bambo conection

Move 75 + 1

[12:32] MOpHeAD[5k]: i see , gives me chance to attack corner later?

[12:33] Secretuse[2d]: Generally, I had feeling in that game, that you like fighting too much. It hurts your position. Generally, in fight, you do not rush at opponent like wild animal. It is better to aproach first and then attack with proper manuvering, which gives you chance to jump back out of opponents reach if needed.

[12:34] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah i do like to go on the wild side when it comes to attacking

[12:35] MOpHeAD[5k]: agaisnt 10kyu and lower tends to work so i do it

[12:35] MOpHeAD[5k]: they tend to respond in the same way most of the time and i use that, then i play a higher rank and poop

Move 78

[12:37] MOpHeAD[5k]: it does but i was scared for the center group

Move 85 + 3

[12:38] MOpHeAD[5k]: that was sneky wernt it

[12:38] MOpHeAD[5k]: sneaky ?

Move 90

[12:39] MOpHeAD[5k]: yup i wanted and influance on that side and run after with the other group

Move 98

[12:39] MOpHeAD[5k]: but that group died

Move 100

[12:40] MOpHeAD[5k]: :( i can get greedy

[12:41] MOpHeAD[5k]: but i did get a decent sorround on L15

[12:42] MOpHeAD[5k]: ok so instead of R12 what should i have done to threten that group of yours

[12:42] MOpHeAD[5k]: because that looks weak to me and i know you can go O14 at any point but assumeing you dont

[12:42] Secretuse[2d]: You have got it only because I allowed it. I considered L15 group to be safe. If I would feel it is in danger, I would right now play O13

[12:42] MOpHeAD[5k]: O13 even

Move 99

[12:44] MOpHeAD[5k]: L15 kinda looks nice

[12:44] MOpHeAD[5k]: L14

[12:44] Secretuse[2d]: It is already troublesome. I do not know what to play here as white, White should not get into such position.

Move 99 + 1

[12:45] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: ?

Move 99 + 6

[12:45] MOpHeAD[5k]: wait

Move 99 + 4

[12:45] MOpHeAD[5k]: instead of 5th move take L14

Move 99 + 6

[12:46] MOpHeAD[5k]: then run

Move 99 + 9

[12:46] MOpHeAD[5k]: thats not so bad for white

[12:46] Secretuse[2d]: It is bad.

[12:46] MOpHeAD[5k]: L15 is not in a ladder becasue of F11

Move 99 + 12

[12:47] MOpHeAD[5k]: oh right

Move 99 + 5

[12:48] MOpHeAD[5k]: ok how about L13 insead?

Move 99 + 13

[12:49] MOpHeAD[5k]: J14 for whitee would be nice

Move 99 + 14

[12:49] MOpHeAD[5k]: not now

Move 99 + 14

[12:49] MOpHeAD[5k]: J16?

Move 107 + 1

[12:51] MOpHeAD[5k]: yes i thought that but i had my eyes on :14

[12:51] MOpHeAD[5k]: L14

Move 107 + 4

[12:52] MOpHeAD[5k]: G16?

Move 107 + 8

[12:53] MOpHeAD[5k]: G14

Move 107 + 10

[12:53] MOpHeAD[5k]: E18

Move 107 + 11

[12:53] MOpHeAD[5k]: that would be much nicer that what i got

Move 107 + 12

[12:54] MOpHeAD[5k]: you would have to take the atari?

[12:54] MOpHeAD[5k]: or break yeah

[12:54] MOpHeAD[5k]: id just poke here

Move 111 + 5

[12:55] MOpHeAD[5k]: then you can jump to D18?

Move 119

[12:57] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah i see

Move 120

[12:58] MOpHeAD[5k]: you like this or no

[12:58] MOpHeAD[5k]: hmm

[12:58] MOpHeAD[5k]: i found out the hard way i guess

Move 171

[13:01] MOpHeAD[5k]: should of just taken that stone :P

Move 170 + 3

[13:01] MOpHeAD[5k]: yup i missed it completly until you played it

Move 169 + 2

[13:03] MOpHeAD[5k]: hmm should of just let you have O5 group and went right side

[13:04] MOpHeAD[5k]: but i did end up haveing another chance to save it but messed that up too

Move 194 + 4

[13:05] MOpHeAD[5k]: yup

Move 199

[13:05] MOpHeAD[5k]: totaly ment that

Move 201

[13:06] MOpHeAD[5k]: yup should of done that but i was scared for mid group aswell

Move 210

[13:06] MOpHeAD[5k]: you go H10 and its a gooner

[13:06] MOpHeAD[5k]: before that one

[13:07] Secretuse[2d]: Yes, I was aiming at center group, but you got first to play important move J10

[13:07] Secretuse[2d]: I was also aiming at B3, but there was no suitable moment in game.

[13:08] MOpHeAD[5k]: i can save that joseki no?

[13:08] Secretuse[2d]: White had so many weak groups, that I had better targets to attack.

[13:08] Secretuse[2d]: To me, it looks like seki.

Move 220 + 4

[13:09] MOpHeAD[5k]: Variation: ?

Move 210

[13:09] Secretuse[2d]: White would live iwth 0 poits in corner

Move 220

[13:09] MOpHeAD[5k]: how would to respond to my 2nd?

Move 220 + 2

[13:11] MOpHeAD[5k]: does E4 not break it?

Move 220 + 14

[13:13] MOpHeAD[5k]: at this point we can both ko for a long time

Move 220 + 15

[13:13] MOpHeAD[5k]: i can do C9

[13:14] MOpHeAD[5k]: and that it XD

[13:14] MOpHeAD[5k]: unil the ladder runs out

[13:14] Secretuse[2d]: It would have been big ko, but I think, black has more threats ...

[13:15] Secretuse[2d]: There are threats to attack center group like H7, but also top side group like M19 or J17

[13:15] MOpHeAD[5k]: ok well i got to make some food and do some cleaning but thanks for this , super helpful... ill probably be on later if your up for a rematch?

Move 221

[13:16] Secretuse[2d]: I would like to make summary. Do not run so much into fight. It is ok to fight, but you do not pick proper time for attack.

[13:17] Secretuse[2d]: Try to avoid having many separated group on one location. That is related to fight.

[13:18] Secretuse[2d]: That is all. Thank you for the game. :-)

[13:18] MOpHeAD[5k]: yeah i still have to work on my attacking , i can be very impatient and want to jump streight into actions, kind of a andrelaline junky in person so thats probably why .... and i do like to come in from all sides , ill work on it

[13:18] MOpHeAD[5k]: yes and thanks for the tips :) hope to play you again sometime soon

[13:19] Secretuse[2d]: If you can take points without fight, why not to take them for free and then fight later for rest.