Game Finished

Move 273

sumittato[17k]

1 capture

Secretuse[3k]

95 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Review by: ...

Move 18 + 1

September 7, 2019

[7:00] sumittato[9k]: ah

Move 19

[7:02] sumittato[9k]: so i might have to sacrified

Move 26

[7:02] sumittato[9k]: that one

[7:02] sumittato[9k]: O3

Move 18

[7:03] Secretuse[2d]: What is with O3?

[7:03] sumittato[9k]: i mean

[7:04] sumittato[9k]: if i go to O17

[7:04] sumittato[9k]: then you can play O4

[7:05] sumittato[9k]: i think you try to tell me that this bottom group are already strong.

[7:05] Secretuse[2d]: O3 is not important in thsi position. It does not create wall for you like stones L5, M5, O5 and it does not make base fore you, doe snot make your group alive neither kills my group. O3 is unimportant stone.

[7:05] sumittato[9k]: so i should play to somewhere else insted of focusing on that group which not gain any territories.

[7:06] sumittato[9k]: ah

[7:06] sumittato[9k]: pointless moves.

[7:06] sumittato[9k]: i understand

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: so my weakness is the opening?

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: or the reading of the situation

[7:07] Secretuse[2d]: If you will try not to save O3 now, you can maybe use it later as a ko threat, that will let you win ko somewhere else.

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: or everything included

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: lol

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: i see.

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: it is very deep mind thinking.

[7:07] sumittato[9k]: this game

[7:08] Secretuse[2d]: Go is about effectivity. Important stones have priority over unimportant stones.

[7:08] Secretuse[2d]: Stones, which are making your group alive or killing opponents group are important. Everything else is just matter of points and O3 does not bring many points.

[7:09] sumittato[9k]: i see now.

[7:09] sumittato[9k]: that is a very

Move 25

[7:09] sumittato[9k]: clear explaination.

Move 24 + 1

[7:13] sumittato[9k]: hmm

[7:13] sumittato[9k]: I want to know one thing.

Move 27

[7:14] sumittato[9k]: you already have some plan for entired game, or you see my action and then follow through.

[7:14] sumittato[9k]: I have no plan when i play.

[7:15] Secretuse[2d]: I adapt to opponents play, but I generally prefer influence over territory.

[7:15] sumittato[9k]: I just, sometime I don't know what to do next.

[7:15] sumittato[9k]: so there are 2 main styles of playing?

[7:15] Secretuse[2d]: Do not worry about it, it will come with more experience. Just try to make moves, which you can reason why you play them.

[7:16] Secretuse[2d]: Yes, there is territory focused style and influence focused style.

[7:16] sumittato[9k]: I must have reason to play in each moves.

[7:16] sumittato[9k]: okay

Move 26 + 1

[7:16] sumittato[9k]: honestly I use feeling mostly.

[7:16] Secretuse[2d]: This is influence focused move.

[7:16] sumittato[9k]: and that's why I end up like this game so often.

[7:16] sumittato[9k]: lol

[7:17] sumittato[9k]: how can you say

[7:17] sumittato[9k]: what is the difference.

[7:17] Secretuse[2d]: With move like K17, you do not worry about territory, you try to build frameworks and points will come somewhere in framework on their own.

Move 26 + 3

[7:18] Secretuse[2d]: This is territory focused play, where you focus on making live groups and make immediate points.

[7:19] sumittato[9k]: no styles are better than the other one?

[7:19] Secretuse[2d]: Stones O17, Q18, L17 are making live group.

[7:19] Secretuse[2d]: It is matter of your choice, nature, temperament. Styles are equal.

[7:20] Secretuse[2d]: However they are not equally easy to play. For influential style, you need to keep "big picture" in mind all the time.

[7:20] sumittato[9k]: my friend, an 8k player, told me that i should try to watch a cosmos style of playing

[7:21] Secretuse[2d]: With territory style, you often can just focus on local battle to make alie group and then move into other part of board to make another live group

[7:21] sumittato[9k]: ah

[7:21] sumittato[9k]: that is very interesting to me now.

[7:22] sumittato[9k]: I want to know what kind of play i want to play..

[7:22] sumittato[9k]: so this is very

[7:23] sumittato[9k]: very rare lesson. so thank you

[7:23] Secretuse[2d]: :-)

[7:23] Secretuse[2d]: You are welcome.

Move 27

[7:23] sumittato[9k]: I have something to findout now ;0

[7:24] sumittato[9k]: territories / influence

[7:25] Secretuse[2d]: At the begining, you do not know much about go. You will realize later, where you feel more comfortable and where not. You can just experiemnt with both. Few games one way, few games other way.

[7:25] Secretuse[2d]: Just do not combine those styles in one game. Chose one style for whole game.

[7:25] sumittato[9k]: okay

[7:25] sumittato[9k]: I will do that.

Move 58

[7:29] sumittato[9k]: ah

Move 58 + 1

[7:29] sumittato[9k]: very small right

Move 57

[7:30] Secretuse[2d]: In general, if you want to make good base for a group, it should start and end on 3rd line.

Move 60

[7:31] sumittato[9k]: ah

Move 61

[7:31] sumittato[9k]: you took that point you have just advise me to play.

Move 60

[7:32] Secretuse[2d]: Yes, it is very important point. There is go proverb: "good point for opponent is also good point for you".

[7:32] Secretuse[2d]: If I take good point for you, I make position worse for you.

[7:33] sumittato[9k]: this one is make me upset

[7:33] Secretuse[2d]: :-)

[7:33] sumittato[9k]: it seperated

[7:33] sumittato[9k]: no

[7:34] sumittato[9k]: split my group in to

[7:34] sumittato[9k]: like

[7:34] sumittato[9k]: 3 + 1 fragmented.

[7:34] sumittato[9k]: at this point (60th moves) it seems clear to me who is gonna win.

[7:36] sumittato[9k]: yes

[7:36] sumittato[9k]: opening is very important,

[7:36] Secretuse[2d]: Ok, so that is good point to stop commentary. You wanted shor one anyway and there are enough things to learn.

[7:36] sumittato[9k]: if I were do as you suggest, it could be a different variation.

[7:36] sumittato[9k]: what.

[7:37] sumittato[9k]: I'm sorry for interupting

[7:37] sumittato[9k]: I just

[7:37] sumittato[9k]: try to get the point of your teaching ;)

[7:37] sumittato[9k]: u must handicap for me 4 stones next time.

[7:37] sumittato[9k]: lol

[7:38] Secretuse[2d]: I see. But you mentioned that you want brief commentary before we started, right? I do not know how much time you have. If you want, I can still continue.

[7:38] sumittato[9k]: I have time. I just think that you might hurry, or..

[7:38] sumittato[9k]: that's it

[7:39] sumittato[9k]: I have a whole free saturnday

[7:39] Secretuse[2d]: Ok :-)

Move 61

[7:45] Secretuse[2d]: Some stones are not worth saving, because they bring many troubles in order to save them.

[7:45] Secretuse[2d]: That means, reward is inadequate to risk.

Move 83

[7:51] Secretuse[2d]: If opponent has strong position and you do not, try to play "light way".

Move 107

[7:51] sumittato[9k]: I feel like al most to catch up but, actually not.

Move 83

[7:52] Secretuse[2d]: There is big difference. White group K17 has 2 eyes and is unconditionally alive, while both black groups do not have eyes and are not alive yet. It is very difficult position for black.

[7:53] Secretuse[2d]: When group can not live locally, it has to run and that is what happened in the game. White forced black to run.

[7:53] Secretuse[2d]: When player has to run, he does not play moves with points, he jsut plays moves, which will be neutrals, without bringing any points.

Move 85

[7:55] sumittato[9k]: J15

Move 84

[7:56] sumittato[9k]: this is the crucial move right?

[7:57] Secretuse[2d]: It is point, where it turns very difficult for black because 2 black groups are hunted simultaneously.

Move 60 + 7

[7:58] Secretuse[2d]: And black could avoid thsi direction if he would just try not to care about unimportant stone O17.

Move 60 + 1

[7:58] sumittato[9k]: do you teach online?

[7:58] sumittato[9k]: like parttime .

[7:58] sumittato[9k]: I just asking, cus I don't have teacher.

[7:59] sumittato[9k]: I start playing Go almost 1 year and I cannot go further than 15k

[7:59] Secretuse[2d]: No, I am not too much active about go. I play just for fun. I was teaching in past, though.

[7:59] sumittato[9k]: oh

[7:59] sumittato[9k]: ok

[8:00] Secretuse[2d]: Are you interested in learning from me?

[8:00] sumittato[9k]: jsut asking.

[8:00] sumittato[9k]: Yes

[8:00] sumittato[9k]: I think you know how to teach.

[8:00] sumittato[9k]: someone might good at playing, but do not know how to teach.

[8:01] Secretuse[2d]: Thank you. That is good point. I personally also think, that I am good at teaching and not just about go. :-)

[8:02] sumittato[9k]: so what else you do teaching?

[8:02] sumittato[9k]: my mom got me to buy dog food and shower them

[8:03] sumittato[9k]: I will focus on your lesson and review today.

[8:03] Secretuse[2d]: I was teaching go in past and also I was teaching children their first steps with computers, IT. Like how to work with MS Word, Excel, how to create and use email ...

[8:03] sumittato[9k]: next time we meet, you can comment me again.

[8:03] sumittato[9k]: wow

[8:04] sumittato[9k]: so you are a professional teacher.

Move 90

[8:05] sumittato[9k]: sorry for skipping the class. lol

[8:05] sumittato[9k]: thank you sensei.