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Move 101

jvandenbusken[3d]

1 capture

Mrrr[1d]

0 captures

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Rules: Japanese

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Move 78

February 27, 2022

[10:36] jvandenbusken[3d]: this exchange was good

[10:36] jvandenbusken[3d]: I missed my chance a couple of times, mistakenly thought R2 would be sente

Move 97

[10:37] Mrrr[1d]: yeah, to be honest i felt i have a good game after this exchange

[10:37] jvandenbusken[3d]: maybe you can leave it open here?

Move 97 + 1

[10:37] Mrrr[1d]: even though kata says it was a lose anyway ;)

[10:37] Mrrr[1d]: oh yes

[10:37] Mrrr[1d]: this is something

[10:37] jvandenbusken[3d]: ignore Kata, he doesn't know people can win-lose 15 points in yose :p

Move 90

[10:37] Mrrr[1d]: F13 let me continue attack

Move 94

[10:37] Mrrr[1d]: it would be great

Move 97 + 11

[10:38] Mrrr[1d]: i think perhaps H9 asks me to play another defensive move thoug

Move 97 + 6

[10:38] Mrrr[1d]: like ikken tobi

Move 97 + 10

[10:38] jvandenbusken[3d]: this would be fairly good for black

[10:39] Mrrr[1d]: true

[10:39] jvandenbusken[3d]: white isn't alive on the left yet

Move 97 + 10

[10:39] jvandenbusken[3d]: at some point you're forced to go back though

Move 83 + 8

[10:40] jvandenbusken[3d]: this is always a simple option

[10:40] Mrrr[1d]: seemed to big to me, but it was an option

[10:40] Mrrr[1d]: i mean this sequence

[10:40] Mrrr[1d]: but devouring D6 is big

Move 83 + 9

[10:41] jvandenbusken[3d]: but who knows

Move 23

[10:41] jvandenbusken[3d]: sorry, lag

Move 23 + 3

[10:41] jvandenbusken[3d]: why not this?

[10:41] Mrrr[1d]: this is my standard sequence

[10:41] Mrrr[1d]: but i wanted to try something new

[10:42] jvandenbusken[3d]: hmm I see

Move 24 + 3

[10:42] jvandenbusken[3d]: not sure though

[10:42] Mrrr[1d]: yeah :)

[10:42] jvandenbusken[3d]: you give up more points

[10:42] Mrrr[1d]: but it leaves options

[10:42] Mrrr[1d]: and i have sente if you take this stone

[10:42] jvandenbusken[3d]: and it's not more solid than the usual sequence

Move 26

[10:43] Mrrr[1d]: hm

Move 23 + 5

[10:43] Mrrr[1d]: i will give it a try once or twice yet but true, i think it is better to stick to variation you are showing

Move 21

[10:43] Mrrr[1d]: sometimes its good to test thuis kind of moves anyway

Move 30

[10:44] jvandenbusken[3d]: this one was pretty good

[10:44] jvandenbusken[3d]: I underestimated the timing of it

[10:44] Mrrr[1d]: yeah, i was happy to play it

Move 28 + 1

[10:45] Mrrr[1d]: how about L17

Move 27

[10:45] jvandenbusken[3d]: from black?

[10:45] Mrrr[1d]: yes

[10:45] jvandenbusken[3d]: it was slow maybe

Move 26 + 1

[10:45] Mrrr[1d]: it surprised me

[10:45] jvandenbusken[3d]: I really wanted to reduce this side

Move 26 + 1

[10:45] Mrrr[1d]: i though you would P15 or something

Move 26 + 2

[10:45] Mrrr[1d]: or this, yes

Move 26 + 3

[10:46] jvandenbusken[3d]: I feel like this is even slower

[10:46] Mrrr[1d]: hm

[10:46] jvandenbusken[3d]: at least I negate any chance of territory for white on the upper side with L17

[10:46] Mrrr[1d]: yeah

Move 27 + 4

[10:46] Mrrr[1d]: yes, it has this addditional virtue

Move 24 + 1

[10:47] jvandenbusken[3d]: but in the end I might've played a tenuki on the left side

Move 24 + 5

[10:47] Mrrr[1d]: that`s why i think E13 is not that bad

[10:47] Mrrr[1d]: it gave me sente

[10:47] Mrrr[1d]: * maybe not that bad

[10:47] Mrrr[1d]: :)

[10:47] jvandenbusken[3d]: that is true, but you could tenuki anyway I suppose

Move 23 + 3

[10:48] Mrrr[1d]: hm

Move 22

[10:48] jvandenbusken[3d]: kind of

[10:49] Mrrr[1d]: from an esthetic point of view i don`t like this white shape

Move 23

[10:49] Mrrr[1d]: ;)

[10:49] jvandenbusken[3d]: very japanese like :p

Move 24

[10:49] Mrrr[1d]: how about p D14

Move 23 + 2

[10:49] Mrrr[1d]: more pretty, but slow

[10:50] jvandenbusken[3d]: less sente locally

[10:50] jvandenbusken[3d]: you would lose D18 easier

Move 23

[10:50] Mrrr[1d]: i really wanted to play R14

Move 21 + 1

[10:50] Mrrr[1d]: oh

[10:50] Mrrr[1d]: that looks perfect

[10:50] jvandenbusken[3d]: you could play it here also

Move 21 + 2

[10:50] Mrrr[1d]: yes

Move 21 + 1

[10:50] Mrrr[1d]: i should have!

Move 33

[10:51] jvandenbusken[3d]: attempts to make the ladder in Q15 work

[10:51] jvandenbusken[3d]: failed at that, but you chose some weak shapes during the fight here

Move 35 + 1

[10:51] Mrrr[1d]: i think i prematurely incvaded at N3

[10:51] Mrrr[1d]: yes

[10:51] jvandenbusken[3d]: just connecting is plenty

[10:52] Mrrr[1d]: i should have finished the shape

Move 35 + 5

[10:52] jvandenbusken[3d]: an all-out battle isn't bad for white

[10:52] Mrrr[1d]: not at all :)

Move 38

[10:52] jvandenbusken[3d]: active, and interesting

[10:53] jvandenbusken[3d]: but.....you have some weaknesses to be careful of

Move 42

[10:53] Mrrr[1d]: yes, it was premature

Move 44 + 1

[10:53] Mrrr[1d]: i regreted it later

[10:53] jvandenbusken[3d]: this was better for black I think

Move 44 + 4

[10:53] Mrrr[1d]: G3 was crucial for both of us

Move 44 + 7

[10:53] Mrrr[1d]: white needed it before making any aggressive actions in the area

Move 42

[10:54] Mrrr[1d]: thats how i feel now

Move 35 + 1

[10:54] Mrrr[1d]: yup

[10:54] Mrrr[1d]: seems slow but

[10:54] Mrrr[1d]: it is a rock now

Move 45 + 1

[10:55] jvandenbusken[3d]: very important to play here

Move 45 + 3

[10:55] Mrrr[1d]: doesn`t it make the game easy for black?

Move 45 + 5

[10:56] Mrrr[1d]: once you are connected

[10:56] jvandenbusken[3d]: hmm black has a weak group

[10:56] jvandenbusken[3d]: weaker than in the game

[10:56] Mrrr[1d]: yeah, but you don`t have to play 2

Move 45 + 10

[10:57] jvandenbusken[3d]: I see it as good for white

[10:57] Mrrr[1d]: hm

Move 45 + 11

[10:57] jvandenbusken[3d]: at some point you might think of cutting this

[10:57] Mrrr[1d]: i don`t but that means i have a deficiency in my knowledge :)

Move 45 + 11

[10:57] Mrrr[1d]: i will think about this position

[10:57] jvandenbusken[3d]: having a target to attack is always good

[10:58] jvandenbusken[3d]: enables more moyo chances around

[10:58] Mrrr[1d]: yes, but it does not seem to be a target, at least not an immediate one

[10:58] jvandenbusken[3d]: true

Move 57

[10:58] Mrrr[1d]: and to be honest

Move 60

[10:58] Mrrr[1d]: there something else

[10:58] Mrrr[1d]: apart from that part of the gobanm

[10:58] Mrrr[1d]: i don1`t really have interesting moves

[10:58] jvandenbusken[3d]: now you risk becoming the target

[10:58] Mrrr[1d]: so i wanted to keep the game here

Move 62 + 1

[10:59] Mrrr[1d]: sente

[10:59] jvandenbusken[3d]: this was pretty important for me

[10:59] jvandenbusken[3d]: missed a big chance

[10:59] Mrrr[1d]: yes

Move 62 + 2

[10:59] Mrrr[1d]: very big and important indeed

Move 62 + 5

[11:00] jvandenbusken[3d]: I can think about getting out immediately

Move 62 + 18

[11:01] jvandenbusken[3d]: seems complicated

Move 75

[11:01] jvandenbusken[3d]: the more I see it, the less I like r2

[11:01] jvandenbusken[3d]: such a wasted move

Move 77 + 5

[11:01] Mrrr[1d]: you paid a big price for omitting Q2 :)

[11:02] jvandenbusken[3d]: if you don't want to sacrifice too many stones this is another possibility

[11:02] jvandenbusken[3d]: having this stone helps me reduce your moyo though

Move 89 + 1

[11:03] jvandenbusken[3d]: this move

[11:03] Mrrr[1d]: i think my shapes here were too weak

[11:03] jvandenbusken[3d]: I was reading this one and it feels pretty strong from white

[11:03] Mrrr[1d]: hm

Move 89 + 3

[11:03] Mrrr[1d]: i discarded it quite quickly

[11:03] jvandenbusken[3d]: you can cut brutally

[11:03] Mrrr[1d]: can you show me?

Move 89 + 7

[11:03] jvandenbusken[3d]: firght is similar, but better shape on the left

[11:04] jvandenbusken[3d]: fight*

Move 89 + 2

[11:04] Mrrr[1d]: what about black extending to E12

Move 89 + 2

[11:04] Mrrr[1d]: no

Move 89 + 3

[11:04] Mrrr[1d]: firstly D12

[11:04] Mrrr[1d]: yes

Move 89 + 10

[11:04] jvandenbusken[3d]: a bit worse for black

[11:04] jvandenbusken[3d]: loses 1 move

[11:05] Mrrr[1d]: than previous variation?

[11:05] Mrrr[1d]: it does put some pressure on white top

Move 89 + 7

[11:05] jvandenbusken[3d]: hmm I do see some pressure already with this variation

Move 89

[11:07] jvandenbusken[3d]: but it is pretty similar :p

Move 99

[11:07] Mrrr[1d]: ehre

Move 97

[11:07] Mrrr[1d]: i had other thing in my mind

[11:07] Mrrr[1d]: to cut from E11

Move 91 + 4

[11:07] jvandenbusken[3d]: hmmm unadviseable

[11:07] jvandenbusken[3d]: you lose a move again

Move 91 + 8

[11:08] jvandenbusken[3d]: or rather, you have an open side

[11:08] Mrrr[1d]: ok

[11:08] Mrrr[1d]: yes

Move 97 + 1

[11:08] Mrrr[1d]: yes, this is the move

[11:09] jvandenbusken[3d]: I feel that this is the most important part

Move 97 + 9

[11:09] jvandenbusken[3d]: you still need to come back, but it's still a fight

Move 97 + 12

[11:09] jvandenbusken[3d]: I could try to fight harshly

[11:09] Mrrr[1d]: yes

[11:09] jvandenbusken[3d]: but I don't feel like I need to

[11:09] Mrrr[1d]: i think i wpould have to tenuki

[11:10] Mrrr[1d]: and play on the top before you get this chance

Move 97 + 10

[11:10] jvandenbusken[3d]: risky business

Move 97 + 13

[11:10] jvandenbusken[3d]: but who knows

Move 97 + 4

[11:11] jvandenbusken[3d]: ok so that's about what I was thinking of during the game

[11:11] Mrrr[1d]: hm

[11:11] Mrrr[1d]: thanks for showing all this

[11:11] Mrrr[1d]: F13 and lower left variation i will remember :)

[11:12] Mrrr[1d]: when it comes to my feelings

[11:12] Mrrr[1d]: i think i had a good game, but you were very patient

[11:12] jvandenbusken[3d]: I rarely am patient actually

[11:12] Mrrr[1d]: and it was i who lost the temper and played too aggressive moves

[11:13] Mrrr[1d]: haha :)

[11:13] jvandenbusken[3d]: but against 5-5 openings I learned that just playing boring 3-3s works fine

[11:13] jvandenbusken[3d]: or 4-3s :p

[11:13] Mrrr[1d]: yeah, i rarely win if there are 3-3 and 4-3 being played

[11:13] Mrrr[1d]: still i play 5-5 cause it makes the game different from ai-like josekis\

[11:14] Mrrr[1d]: which are tremendously boring to me

[11:14] jvandenbusken[3d]: the strongest japanese amateur played two 5-5 moves vs Iyama Yuuta (who holds a ton of titles at the moment)

[11:14] Mrrr[1d]: really?

[11:14] jvandenbusken[3d]: for the first half of the game he was at 90% winchance

[11:14] Mrrr[1d]: do you know the name of him?

[11:14] jvandenbusken[3d]: lemme check if I can find it

[11:14] Mrrr[1d]: ok

[11:15] Mrrr[1d]: i have a game of go seigen and kitani minoru, where kitani plays double 5-5 formation

[11:15] jvandenbusken[3d]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4aSp4EbLDI

[11:15] jvandenbusken[3d]: this should be the japanese streaming of it

[11:15] Mrrr[1d]: he gets slaughtered though ;)

[11:16] Mrrr[1d]: thanks!

[11:16] Mrrr[1d]: i will watch it

[11:16] jvandenbusken[3d]: Hiraoka Satoshi, amateur Honinbo

[11:16] Mrrr[1d]: hm

[11:16] Mrrr[1d]: great :)

[11:17] jvandenbusken[3d]: unfortunately he still lost :p

[11:17] Mrrr[1d]: it happens ;)

[11:17] jvandenbusken[3d]: Iyama's reading is just too beastlike

[11:17] Mrrr[1d]: i started doing recently all the meijin title games

[11:17] Mrrr[1d]: and these games which were played in alt 70`

[11:17] Mrrr[1d]: so diferent style

[11:18] jvandenbusken[3d]: hmm

[11:18] Mrrr[1d]: moyo,, slow moves, very "operational" fuseki

[11:18] jvandenbusken[3d]: well the later games now reflect more of what the AI thinks about the positions

[11:18] Mrrr[1d]: i knmow

[11:18] jvandenbusken[3d]: at the loss of 5-4 and 5-5 openings

[11:19] jvandenbusken[3d]: AI points out the weaknesses of each shape

[11:19] jvandenbusken[3d]: so people nowadays are less afraid to face moyos

[11:19] Mrrr[1d]: are you using it for reviews?

[11:19] jvandenbusken[3d]: yes, when I mess up fuseki especially

[11:19] jvandenbusken[3d]: which is pretty often the case

[11:19] Mrrr[1d]: :)

[11:20] jvandenbusken[3d]: I am a bit of a greedy player :p

[11:20] Mrrr[1d]: well

[11:20] Mrrr[1d]: it sad that i didn`t have an opportunity to play ypse against you :)

[11:20] Mrrr[1d]: *yose

[11:20] Mrrr[1d]: :)

[11:20] Mrrr[1d]: maybe some other time :)

[11:20] jvandenbusken[3d]: maybe next time ^^

[11:21] jvandenbusken[3d]: anyway I'm going to eat something now ;) thanks for the game and good luck on your next games

[11:21] Mrrr[1d]: i do the same :)

[11:21] Mrrr[1d]: thanks!

[11:21] jvandenbusken[3d]: cya!

[11:21] Mrrr[1d]: bye