Black vs. White

Move 10

Black[8d]

0 captures

White[8d]

0 captures

+ 6.5

Unranked

Rules: Japanese

Review by: JackLS[12k]

Review controller: Kaworu Nagisa[5d]

Move 0

December 22, 2015

[19:42] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: k

Move 0 + 11

[19:43] JackLS[21k]: Do you only play this joseki when you have a stone on star point?

[19:44] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: sure

[19:44] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: you dont need to

[19:44] JackLS[21k]: When I looked it up. Edo automatically adds that stone on K17

[19:44] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: it all depends right

[19:44] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: maybe you just need soem influence to balance your self

[19:45] JackLS[21k]: I was wondering if there was a condition that should be met before playing it

[19:45] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Yeah

[19:45] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Black needs a 4-4 and white appraoches with a knights move

[19:45] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: only condition needed

[19:46] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: you dont need to play san ren sei or anything

[19:46] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: pass control

[19:46] JackLS[21k]: I figured out some of my opening mistakes against you. You techniqually showed them to me. But, it did not click til this morning lol

[19:46] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: thats fine lol

Move 0 + 21

[19:47] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Variation: this is possible

Move

: Control passed to Kaworu Nagisa

Move 0 + 12

[19:48] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: thisis the modern variation

Move 0 + 16

[19:48] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: helsp prevent something big

[19:48] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: at the cost of a secure base

Move 0 + 23

[19:48] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: black can still take the corner too

[19:49] JackLS[21k]: interesting

Move 0 + 31

[19:49] JackLS[21k]: I thought joseki meant balanced pattern

Move 0 + 35

[19:49] JackLS[21k]: or something like that

[19:49] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: sure but

[19:49] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: it all depends on the situation

[19:49] JackLS[21k]: seems modern go players hate balance lol

[19:49] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: the bottom right is still joseki

[19:49] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: uhhhh no

[19:49] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: only double didigt kyus do lol

[19:50] JackLS[21k]: lol

[19:50] JackLS[21k]: ouch

Move 0 + 21

[19:51] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: white wins this game most of the time

[19:51] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: with this setup

[19:51] JackLS[21k]: seriously

[19:52] JackLS[21k]: I need to memorize this

[19:52] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: why

[19:52] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: dont memorize

[19:52] JackLS[21k]: maybe I will win a couple games lol

[19:52] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: that defeats the point and hinders you

[19:52] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: sicne you just blindly play it with no regard to the entire board

[19:52] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: josekis are only LOCALLY balanced

[19:52] JackLS[21k]: ok

[19:52] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: if yu just play josekis becasue you knwo the, you could give your opponent the advantage

Move

: Control passed to JackLS

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[19:53] JackLS[21k]: Thank you for explaining things to me

[19:53] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: np

[19:54] JackLS[21k]: I don't mean to randomly play stones. I just haven't figured out how to play globally yet

[19:54] JackLS[21k]: I am having a very hard time understanding how to read.

[19:54] JackLS[21k]: I am trying to learn

[19:55] JackLS[21k]: I am just not understanding it very well

[19:55] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: i didnt learn that until liek 11k

[19:55] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: honestly

[19:55] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: jsut paly joseki for now

[19:55] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: most people dont learn or play them until liek 15k

[19:55] JackLS[21k]: yesterday you said something about me reading things out

[19:56] JackLS[21k]: honestly, I don't know how to yet

[19:56] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: ok

[19:56] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: lets look at that joskei

[19:56] JackLS[21k]: do you want me to have control?

Move 0 + 8

[19:56] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: imagine black plays P3

[19:56] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: No

[19:56] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Dont play any stones

Move 0

[19:56] JackLS[21k]: ok

Move 0 + 8

[19:56] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: What would you do if Black P3?

[19:57] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Block at P2?

Move 0

[19:57] JackLS[21k]: Q4

Move 0 + 8

[19:57] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: [play elsewhere?

Move 0 + 9

[19:57] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Q4 is taken

Move 0 + 8

[19:58] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Black is going to play here, at P3

[19:58] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: How do you respond?>

Move 0

[19:58] JackLS[21k]: I meant R4

Move 0 + 8

[19:58] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Also taken lol

Move 0

[19:59] JackLS[21k]: P4

Move 0 + 8

[19:59] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: All of thsoe are taken by black stones

[19:59] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Uh

[19:59] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Pass cotnrolb akc?

Move

: Control passed to Kaworu Nagisa

Move 0 + 8

[19:59] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Black P3

[20:00] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: dont play stones on the board

[20:01] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: if you do theres no point at all in doign reading problems, and you'll stay 20k forever

[20:01] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: imagien it in your head

[20:01] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: just do one stone at a time

[20:01] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: black palys P3

[20:01] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: what is your responmse

[20:01] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: 1 stone response

[20:04] JackLS[21k]: I don't know the answer

[20:04] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: youre overthinking it

Move 0 + 10

[20:04] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Stay connected

[20:05] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: Whats wrong with P2?

[20:05] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: If you stay connected, theres no problems right'

[20:06] JackLS[21k]: ok. I have to try to imagine the board. I will try from now on. Maybe that is why I am not improving

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: its becasue you dont play enough games

[20:06] JackLS[21k]: I do problems every day for hours

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: its not the rpbolems

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: you need to paly games

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: do not do problems for hours a day

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: 30 min max

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: play games

[20:06] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: thats it

[20:07] JackLS[21k]: ok

[20:07] JackLS[21k]: Do you play a musical instrument?

[20:07] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: so go play some games!

[20:07] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: trombone

[20:08] JackLS[21k]: Do you rmemeber when you were first learning?

[20:08] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: yeah

[20:09] JackLS[21k]: I play the guitar. When I first started learning. I hated anyone hearing me play. or even practice

[20:09] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: why

[20:09] JackLS[21k]: I want to sound decent in front of people. It's most like my mental hangup

[20:09] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: i just palyed as much as i could

[20:09] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: and peopel would tell me soemthign sounded bad or wrong, and i woudl try to fix it

[20:09] JackLS[21k]: go is the same for me. I want to play people when I understand what I am doing.

[20:10] JackLS[21k]: I am wrong and I am sure of it

[20:10] JackLS[21k]: I will try playing people more often

[20:10] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: then youve already lost

[20:10] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: when you convince yourself you sucka nd am wrong

[20:11] JackLS[21k]: No no

[20:11] JackLS[21k]: I am wrong for being shy about playing go with people

[20:12] JackLS[21k]: I should play and lose like a man lol

[20:12] JackLS[21k]: or win like a man too

[20:12] JackLS[21k]: I just need to play

[20:12] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: yeah

[20:12] JackLS[21k]: anyway, thanks for the help4

[20:12] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: jsut go play

[20:12] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: dont worry about who plays you

[20:12] Kaworu Nagisa[9k]: its the itnernet, no one knows you

[20:13] JackLS[21k]: ok

[20:13] JackLS[21k]: thanks Nagisa

[20:13] JackLS[21k]: see you later