Lee Sedol vs AlphaGo 3rd Match

Move 183

Lee Sedol[9p]

5 captures

Alpha Go[9p]

8 captures

+ 7.5

Unranked

Rules: Chinese

Review by: ...

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Move 0

March 12, 2016

[3:25] HowToPlay?[7k]: Link to the match https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUAmTYHEyM8

[3:25] HowToPlay?[7k]: Chinese rules: 7.5 Komi, 2 hours Main Time 1:00x3 Byo yomi

Move 0 + 3

[3:27] thouis[6k]: Variation: my prediction

Move 0

[3:27] dneg[3k]: 이세돌 화이팅!

[3:28] friedtomato[11k]: gonna occupy the front row of the chat!

[3:30] dneg[3k]: _(:зゝ∠)_

[3:30] dneg[3k] hugz the goban

[3:31] spatula[7k] swallow the stones

[3:42] HowToPlay?[7k]: the music is driving me bonkers

Move 0 + 101

[3:55] EleGiggle[25k]: Variation: bvbcv

Move 0

[3:57] Fairgo[3d]: Thanks for doing this HowtoPlay?

[3:58] HowToPlay?[7k]: you're welcome

[3:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: Thanks again, HowToPlay?. You did a stand-up job two nights ago.

[3:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: :)

[3:58] dneg[3k]: got food woo

[3:58] myrcutio[6k]: chinese rules?

[3:59] dneg[3k]: ye

[3:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yup.

[3:59] tankbard[11k]: Hi everyone :)

[3:59] tankbard[11k]: thx for hosting HowToPlay?

[3:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: Hey again, tankbard.

[3:59] eevolt[17k]: 30 seconds!

[4:00] kitten1[6k]: what time does the game start?

[4:00] phil.bordelon[25k]: nowish.

[4:00] phil.bordelon[25k]: very owish.

[4:00] myrcutio[6k]: here's hoping LSD can score at least one back for humanity

[4:00] semico[10k]: sup fam

[4:00] semico[10k]: go team human

[4:00] dneg[3k]: OMG OMG

[4:00] kitten1[6k]: figures it starts right when I go to work. DX totally gonna have to sneak my laptop in.

[4:00] tankbard[11k]: 10/10 prediction thouis

[4:00] phil.bordelon[25k]: (I'm watching the pregame chat with the AlphaGo dev on 1.25x so am a bit behind)

[4:00] tankbard[11k]: GO TEAM MEAT

[4:00] ObieTwice[9k]: bout that time-ish?

[4:00] tankbard[11k]: HANA DUL SET

[4:00] tankbard[11k]: LEE SE DOL HWAITING

[4:00] mark5000[2d]: Go Lee Sedol!

[4:00] dneg[3k]: team meat yum

[4:00] kitten1[6k]: indeed! beat the machines

[4:01] mark5000[2d]: Hope the all-nighter helped

[4:01] EleGiggle[25k]: how many kumi

[4:01] tankbard[11k]: 7.5

[4:01] phil.bordelon[25k]: Aja still stonefaced AF

Move 0 + 1

[4:01] dneg[3k]: got to win today to keep hope alive in this match ><

[4:02] dneg[3k]: lsd drinks water

[4:02] ObieTwice[9k]: LSD 4x4!... Go B!

[4:02] kitten1[6k]: star point as black. Lee already playing a different style from game 1

[4:02] semico[10k]: no manego today lol

[4:03] phil.bordelon[25k]: If anyone finds the link to the no-commentary video, please post it.

[4:03] AerialSnack[15k]: I wonder if AG does tree searching for fuseki? If so, that's rather inefficient

Move 0 + 2

[4:03] mark5000[2d]: How rude

[4:03] phil.bordelon[25k]: It does tree searching for everything, Aerial. It doesn't understand moves in the way that "we" do in that sense.

[4:03] HowToPlay?[7k]: he slammed that stone down

Move 0 + 3

[4:03] kitten1[6k]: maybe alphago specified that the stone was to be slammed down

[4:03] AerialSnack[15k]: lol

[4:04] Tran[4k]: AerialSnack: I think it does the tree research for fuseki

[4:04] thouis[6k]: it does

[4:04] mark5000[2d]: D4 best move

[4:04] thouis[6k]: no DB, just the networks and MCTS

[4:04] Tran[4k]: yup

[4:04] phil.bordelon[25k]: and I'll stop talking about how AlphaGo works now :p

[4:04] ObieTwice[9k]: keep it simple

[4:04] semico[10k]: wouldn't it be exciting if ag played e16

[4:04] kitten1[6k]: D4 good. Doubt black will try chinese fuseki in this situation

Move 0 + 4

[4:04] semico[10k]: shin shin shin fuseki

Move 0 + 5

[4:05] Tran[4k]: kobayashi?

[4:05] HowToPlay?[7k]: AlphaGo is already reading to end game

[4:05] mark5000[2d]: Probably not. I'd bet after AG plays F3 Lee will chinese it up

[4:05] kitten1[6k]: woo! that means my reading can occasionally match the dan club. XD

Move 0 + 7

[4:06] Tran[4k]: high chinese

[4:06] semico[10k]: HYPE chinese

[4:06] kitten1[6k]: high chinese! I thought that had fallen out of favor among pros

[4:06] thouis[6k]: maybe trying to show things it hasn't seen?

[4:07] Tran[4k]: guys, I gotta sleep :(((

[4:07] VincentCB[1d]: no, high chinese is currently much more fashionable than low chinese

[4:07] thouis[6k]: AlphaGo don't care.

[4:07] mark5000[2d]: It got a boost in 2014-15

[4:07] myrcutio[6k]: it's seen everything

[4:07] Tran[4k]: T___T

[4:07] AerialSnack[15k]: It's definitely seen high chinese before

[4:07] myrcutio[6k]: they fed it 100's of thousands of games

[4:07] thouis[6k]: ok, nmind me

Move 0 + 8

[4:07] dneg[3k]: T__T

[4:07] kitten1[6k]: white sticking to the orthodox line

[4:07] Tran[4k]: mark5000: actually chinese stuffs and kobayashi are inviting complex fights?

[4:08] mark5000[2d]: Yeah

[4:08] kitten1[6k]: well, the biggest criticism of Lee's play in game two was that he didn't take opportunities to make the game more complicated and messy

[4:08] ObieTwice[9k]: to invite Lee is to invite complex fights

[4:08] Tran[4k]: ahahah

[4:08] AerialSnack[15k]: O 17?

[4:09] mark5000[2d]: Lee thinking about being clever here and not playing O16

[4:09] myrcutio[6k]: i'm expecting lee to start multiple complex fights, try to break AG's deep reading

[4:09] AerialSnack[15k]: O16 invites the 3-3 move, right?

[4:09] kitten1[6k]: black's play has heavily favored influence thus far. He's ot worried about 3-3

[4:09] semico[10k]: probably would see P15 or Q14 in response to O16 imo

[4:09] AerialSnack[15k]: But that's the thing, 3-3 doesn't really give black anything?

Move 0 + 9

[4:10] AerialSnack[15k]: Told you

[4:10] AerialSnack[15k]: xD

[4:10] mark5000[2d]: I told you: he's not doing O16 didn't I

[4:10] kitten1[6k]: orthodox white would be Q10, no?

[4:10] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, somewhere around there

[4:10] myrcutio[6k]: it's a bit slow

Move 0 + 10

[4:11] mark5000[2d]: This is a bit unusual.

[4:11] AerialSnack[15k]: pincer R14?

[4:11] mark5000[2d]: Yeah, that's obvious

[4:11] kitten1[6k]: white R7 invites the pincer

[4:11] AerialSnack[15k]: not for DDK's >_>

[4:12] tankbard[11k]: Seems rather peaceful

[4:12] semico[10k]: AG going for the diplomacy victory

[4:12] AerialSnack[15k]: Black could Kobayashi the left

[4:12] semico[10k]: i like that

[4:12] mark5000[2d]: I like Koba too

[4:13] mark5000[2d]: D10 or D9 gets my vote

Move 0 + 11

[4:13] kitten1[6k]: it would be good for his framework. white is behind on development

[4:13] Manslay[1d]: Koba was Stalin's nickname

[4:13] AerialSnack[15k]: Muahaha

[4:13] semico[10k]: aerialsnack honorary 9p

[4:13] mark5000[2d]: E16 is expected

[4:14] semico[10k]: tengen plz

Move 0 + 12

[4:14] kitten1[6k]: white tengen would be terrible. :O

[4:14] scott_el_scythe[13k]: Mark! very good reads

[4:14] kitten1[6k]: well, this has been a fairly textbook chinese game, but yeshu, Mark is amazing

[4:14] tankbard[11k]: AlphaGo eavesdropping, everyone call K10 after the next move

[4:14] thouis[6k]: The fact that AG plays many expected moves (like E16) I think shows that humans have done a good job exploring the space

Move 0 + 13

[4:14] myrcutio[6k]: AG has read enough games where players have tried tengen to know it doesn't usually work

[4:15] tankbard[11k]: I dare to dream

[4:15] Manslay[1d]: C15 ag?

[4:15] AerialSnack[15k]: Maybe E17?

[4:15] mark5000[2d]: This will be an interesting move, I think. Maybe something light like E13. D15 is also ok

Move 0 + 14

[4:16] semico[10k]: $*!% mark

[4:16] thouis[6k]: mark secretly replaced by alphago

[4:16] aysz88[23k]: AG was started out by mimicing human moves so it will try those first

[4:16] calantir[4k]: wth is this

[4:16] samuel_god[9k]: Mark... are you actually alphago?

[4:16] tankbard[11k]: I call shenanigans

[4:16] scott_el_scythe[13k]: It's hard for me to imagine AG taking so long to think: it goes to show how much is actually computing.

[4:16] ObieTwice[9k]: has alphago eaten the government cheese?

Move 0 + 15

[4:17] mark5000[2d]: Oh wow

[4:17] AerialSnack[15k]: I would play C13

[4:17] VítorOliveira[16k]: Variation: Mark, I'm a fan of yours now

[4:17] AerialSnack[15k]: oh

[4:17] AerialSnack[15k]: that's interesting

[4:17] Traveller[13k]: It is building its tree of "good" moves

[4:17] tankbard[11k]: Fight time!!!!

[4:17] semico[10k]: fight!! fight!!

[4:17] calantir[4k]: well redmond says e13 is joseki

[4:17] mark5000[2d]: I would do C13 too. This one is interesting. A big fight

[4:17] thouis[6k]: fight fight fight

[4:17] Traveller[13k]: It likely knows the "best" move and is playing on a cadence.

[4:17] pagia[2d]: Lee fight at first this time

[4:17] tls[1k]: LSD is back

[4:17] HowToPlay?[7k]: i would of done c13 as well >.>

Move 0 + 16

[4:18] Traveller[13k]: Only Urgent moves will get a quick response.

[4:18] Traveller[13k]: Maybe only Forced.

[4:18] mark5000[2d]: This move...

[4:18] AerialSnack[15k]: D15 was a nice move

[4:18] thouis[6k]: go on, mark

[4:18] AerialSnack[15k]: I really like it

[4:18] ObieTwice[9k]: when you're down 0-2, do something else, ya?

[4:18] Manslay[1d]: strange move d15 actually

[4:18] mark5000[2d]: I didn't see that one. I thought F14 hane

[4:18] AerialSnack[15k]: It's similar to what I would play

[4:18] myrcutio[6k]: it's a good way to respond to the shape

[4:18] mark5000[2d]: Yeah, sure

[4:18] AerialSnack[15k]: Though I normally am not in that position

[4:19] Sexy Toaster[13k]: It's on

[4:19] mark5000[2d]: D14 is the 30k shape breaker

[4:19] AerialSnack[15k]: Actually, one of my games resembles this one, because I use chinese and kobayashi all the time

[4:19] pagia[2d]: So far Game 3 more seems balanced

[4:19] mark5000[2d]: senseis: CuttingRightThroughAKnightsMoveIsVeryBig

[4:20] Manslay[1d]: i think it's called ripped keima

Move 0 + 20

[4:20] pagia[2d]: Variation: A

Move 0 + 16

[4:21] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: japanese 9p comment: this alphago move (E13) is from the showa era that is not used anymore in modern times

Move 0 + 17

[4:21] samuel_god[9k]: Showa era meaning what? 1930's throug 80's was a long time in go...

[4:21] AerialSnack[15k]: I wish my stones were a bit smaller...

[4:22] tankbard[11k]: I kind of wonder what AG read down this branch though

Move 0 + 21

[4:22] mark5000[2d]: Variation: fighty

Move 0 + 18

[4:22] ObieTwice[9k]: that fight is good for black, ya?

[4:22] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: samuel_god: so it means popular in that time period. modern players prefer D15

[4:23] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, since black is so strong in the area

[4:23] samuel_god[9k]: I'm just saying that that isn't really one period of time in Go history, because it was like 50+ years

[4:23] semico[10k]: also has shin fuseki smack in the middle

[4:23] pagia[2d]: I think it's too early to judge now

[4:23] samuel_god[9k]: Yeah, semico

[4:25] mark5000[2d]: It makes sense for AG to play E13 b/c it was trained on pro data from that period too, I'm sure

Move 0 + 19

[4:25] thouis[6k]: mark5000: I don't think so

[4:25] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: yep and the pro goes on to say: so perhaps it means that the showa move is the correct one after all

[4:25] thouis[6k]: I think it was all modern KGS

[4:25] Panada[15k]: does anyone have the link for the unlisted stream?

[4:25] pagia[2d]: 0_o so far as I see.....

[4:25] phil.bordelon[25k]: Its core training corpus was KGS

[4:26] phil.bordelon[25k]: I haven't seen it yet, Panada :|

[4:26] samuel_god[9k]: I think it's dangerous to take everything AlphaGo does as "gospel" or "now we know what the correct move is"

Move 0 + 20

[4:26] thouis[6k]: samuel_god: yeah, wait for BetaGo

[4:26] mark5000[2d]: KGS was in the nature paper, but subsequent statements, including the pre-show talk today, indicate it was also pro games like Lee Sedol's games inclusive

[4:26] phil.bordelon[25k]: That said, the commentary is much better today

[4:27] thouis[6k]: BTW, fast moves from alphago... I wonder if that means it's already done a lot of explorig in that branch of the tree...

[4:27] mark5000[2d]: BigBrain's BetaBaduk

[4:27] mark5000[2d]: by Bing

[4:27] thouis[6k]: mark5000: ah, thanks. didn't know that

[4:27] myrcutio[6k]: D13 perhaps?

[4:28] Manslay[1d]: that means there's no much else it can do here, kinda one-way road joseki

[4:28] pagia[2d]: Variation: next move?

[4:28] lichungchang[7k]: F17

[4:28] mark5000[2d]: I thought it would be F14 a few moves ago

[4:28] Manslay[1d]: but for white

Move 0 + 21

[4:29] semico[10k]: so how long until i can play against AG on my phonee?

Move 0 + 20

[4:29] thouis[6k]: that's a ways off...

[4:29] myrcutio[6k]: w wants black to invest more in killing e13 i think, b needs to think bigger

[4:30] Manslay[1d]: white actually gets pretty much nothing as far as black is all connected

[4:30] AerialSnack[15k]: I'm feeling the F14

[4:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: good ol' Tomcat :D

[4:30] myrcutio[6k]: i'm feeling a b tenuki

Move 0 + 21

[4:30] myrcutio[6k]: o3 maybe

[4:30] AerialSnack[15k]: HOW DO THEY PLACE THEIR STONES SO NEATLY

[4:30] dneg[3k]: nice

[4:31] myrcutio[6k]: doh

Move 0 + 22

[4:31] calantir[4k]: fight! kill!

[4:32] semico[10k]: faster pussycat!!

Move 0 + 23

[4:32] Manslay[1d]: just live

[4:32] Manslay[1d]: and black is fine

[4:32] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: $*!% takao 9p predicting moves like a pro

[4:32] pagia[2d]: I think B16 is little slow

[4:32] AerialSnack[15k]: I wonder if there is a cap. Like, a pinnacle for go playing

[4:32] semico[10k]: kami no itte

Move 0 + 24

[4:33] myrcutio[6k]: 359 handicap stones, at most

[4:33] mark5000[2d]: They're both playing really proper style right now.

[4:33] Manslay[1d]: run, white, run

[4:33] dneg[3k]: LSD PLZ u can do it ><

[4:33] disip[12k]: the fifth line shoulder hit again!

[4:34] mark5000[2d]: This one was obvious though. Last game was really creative

[4:34] pagia[2d]: I think Black 23 should play H16

Move 0 + 25

[4:34] Manslay[1d]: time to harass R14

[4:34] Manslay[1d]: maybe

Move 0 + 24

[4:35] disip[12k]: can black cut at g15

Move 0 + 25

[4:35] AerialSnack[15k]: I wouldn't

[4:35] mark5000[2d]: If they push here, how can B manage the E14 stones? Looks a bit difficult

[4:35] AerialSnack[15k]: well

[4:35] pagia[2d]: wrong that, I think Black 23 should play H15 ....

Move 0 + 26

[4:35] Manslay[1d]: hane on the head nobrainer

[4:36] disip[12k]: hane at the head of two stones?

[4:36] mark5000[2d]: Yes

[4:36] disip[12k]: interesting that alphago allowed that

[4:36] Manslay[1d]: actually game2 looked like it's teasing Lee too

[4:36] dneg[3k]: it already thinks its winning :O

[4:36] disip[12k]: haha

Move 0 + 28

[4:37] mark5000[2d]: Variation: AG avoiding empty triangle

Move 0 + 26

[4:37] disip[12k]: interesting

[4:38] ObieTwice[9k]: "The Power Triangle is just an empty triangle with a better publicist." -crodgers

[4:38] Manslay[1d]: looks to me w would be able to live in sente

[4:38] pagia[2d]: @mark5000: I agree with you

[4:38] pagia[2d]: exceeding one's expectations

Move 0 + 38

[4:40] pagia[2d]: Variation: May be like this?white rush out?

Move 0 + 26

[4:41] mark5000[2d]: Michael Redmond just discussed the triangle variation with the same conclusion

Move 0 + 38

[4:41] mark5000[2d]: pagia, that's my expectation too

Move 0 + 27

[4:41] flexo37[8k]: Michael Redmond is more of a robot than AlphaGo

[4:41] semico[10k]: redmond's suit is kinda ugly lmao

[4:42] disip[12k]: wow.

[4:42] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I find white's shape beautiful

Move 0 + 29

[4:42] ObieTwice[9k]: you would... #ABT

[4:43] dneg[3k]: MR is awesome wot r u talking about >_>

[4:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: "#ABT"?

[4:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: oh

[4:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: hah

[4:43] pagia[2d]: I think the battle is easier for white now.....

[4:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: don't answer that

[4:43] eevolt[17k]: it's a wallll! xD

[4:43] eevolt[17k]: the great Lee Wall

[4:43] AerialSnack[15k]: I'm not digging black right now

Move 0 + 30

[4:44] YANA1026[25k]: OHHH wait what

[4:44] semico[10k]: something around r11?

[4:44] myrcutio[6k]: huh, that's an interesting way to connect

[4:44] flexo37[8k]: Redmond can't explain what intuition is because he doesn't have it

[4:44] ObieTwice[9k]: neither does skynet

[4:44] mark5000[2d]: MR just examined pagia's variation, saying it's a choice

[4:45] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: takao 9p: G13 is a surprising move. humans will normally connect.

[4:45] jvolkman[24k]: .

[4:45] AerialSnack[15k]: Looks like white's winning to me

[4:45] semico[10k]: didn't bother to define aji either lol

[4:45] semico[10k]: of course, "it means taste" would help no one

[4:45] AerialSnack[15k]: He defined it earlier though

[4:46] AerialSnack[15k]: game one I think

[4:46] mark5000[2d]: J17 looks like a great move

[4:46] phil.bordelon[25k]: I think he explained it in games 1 and 2... presumably at this point if you're watching you've been watching

[4:46] myrcutio[6k]: it's still close. w doesn't have much territory yet

[4:46] flexo37[8k]: AlphaGo going against its pro game library more than 50% is more advanced intuition

[4:46] flexo37[8k]: move 37 game 2 was creative and it knew it

Move 0 + 31

[4:47] flexo37[8k]: the high shoulder hit

[4:47] semico[10k]: same

[4:47] AerialSnack[15k]: Should have played tengen

[4:47] hasan.aljudy[8k]: ah, nice move!

[4:47] semico[10k]: tengen would be cheating, too strong

[4:47] hasan.aljudy[8k]: now I'm worried about D14

[4:47] mark5000[2d]: B looking forward to attacking R14 later

[4:48] tankbard[11k]: This looks like an adaptation to AG's valuation of center territory

[4:48] Shenzao[15k]: Has anyone considered T1 for either player? I feel it would rival tengen.

[4:48] semico[10k]: i like lee's wall, looks like you would see it from space

[4:48] mark5000[2d]: wow

Move 0 + 32

[4:48] tls[1k]: ...

[4:48] semico[10k]: T1 is forbidden for either player via secret agreement

[4:48] thouis[6k]: first wow move at 31

[4:49] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: takao 9p: (c11) wow. humans won't normally think of that move

[4:49] hasan.aljudy[8k]: where are you watching takao 9p?

[4:49] mark5000[2d]: He's right. It's not remotely on my radar either

[4:49] flexo37[8k]: Lee big wall feels heavy

[4:49] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: takao 9p stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtZdAaInEM

[4:49] tls[1k]: A lot of pros are scratching heads right now

[4:49] spatula[7k]: lol KJ said eailier LSD's fuseki failed cuz the computer is playing the same move as he think of

[4:49] hasan.aljudy[8k]: thanks

[4:50] VítorOliveira[16k]: Variation: Only me, or is D14 dead?

[4:50] pagia[2d]: e14 group is in trouble now....

[4:50] flexo37[8k]: where can you see other pros reactions?

[4:50] spatula[7k]: on other sites

Move 0 + 35

[4:50] mark5000[2d]: Variation: it's ok

Move 0 + 32

[4:50] flexo37[8k]: Redmond just tries to guess moves, its annoying. KGS is one other site, any others?

[4:51] disip[12k]: AGA will be on in 9 minutes

[4:51] thouis[6k]: I keep opening 2 or 3 youtube tabs, all Michael Redmond. so much echo

Move 0 + 35

[4:51] yishn[7k]: @mark5000: Redmond says b c14 will probably be answered with d11

Move 0 + 32

[4:51] dneg[3k]: what r u talking about, he is explaining well x_x

[4:51] disip[12k]: andrew jackson and some english speaking girl 9p

[4:51] dneg[3k]: shh people complaining MR don't know anything

[4:51] semico[10k]: i prefer abraham lincoln commenting myself

Move 0 + 35

[4:51] yishn[7k]: in which case the group will be okay as well :D

Move 0 + 32

[4:52] phil.bordelon[25k]: Doesn't he do commentary for the NHK for a living?

[4:52] trohde[9k]: “some english speaking girl” LOL, it’s Cho Hye-yeon 9p

[4:52] disip[12k]: i dont know many pros

[4:52] disip[12k]: still very new

[4:52] samuel_god[9k]: This is why women find professional go taxing, I hear

[4:52] mark5000[2d]: She's amazing too. 9p is nothing to scoff at

[4:52] Panada[15k]: are you kidding me? abraham lincoln? Morgan Freemon comenting at Go

[4:53] phil.bordelon[25k]: It was an American historical politics joke, Panada

[4:53] Panada[15k]: pffft

[4:53] semico[10k]: not even a good one!

[4:53] Panada[15k]: <this south african knows nothing

[4:53] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: japanse pros at niconama: seeing alphago play, it seems that humans don't really understand go at all

[4:53] phil.bordelon[25k]: I didn't say it was good :P

[4:53] phil.bordelon[25k]: (also, I didn't make it)

[4:53] semico[10k]: andrew jackson was a bad president from like a century ago

[4:54] semico[10k]: the only SA political figure i know is mandela so you are forgiven for not knowing jackson haha

[4:54] phil.bordelon[25k]: -sweatdrop-

[4:54] phil.bordelon[25k]: two hundred years ago...

[4:54] samuel_god[9k]: AgroRachmatullah, where are you getting info of what Japanese pros are saying?

[4:54] semico[10k]: oh, and that footballer guy that shot his girlfriend lol

[4:54] Traveller[13k]: Blade Runner

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[4:54] lichungchang[7k]: D11

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[4:54] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: samuel_god: watching their livestreams (there are 2 of them)

[4:55] semico[10k]: you right, for some reason i was thinking AJ was after the civil war

[4:55] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: this is one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtZdAaInEM

[4:55] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: this is the other: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv255280362?ref=grel

Move 0 + 33

[4:55] semico[10k]: $*!% my non comprende nihongo :(

[4:55] samuel_god[9k]: Which is better?

[4:55] hasan.aljudy[8k]: lee sedol leaves steat!

[4:55] Shenzao[15k]: I'm frustrated with the already existent time disparity.

[4:55] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: the youtube one plays variations on the board

Move 0 + 34

[4:56] myrcutio[6k]: the first game AG was behind on time for most of the match

[4:56] thouis[6k]: LSD leaves the board

[4:56] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: the nico one is more informal

[4:56] flexo37[8k]: Any other pro commentators doing it live?

[4:56] samuel_god[9k]: Do you speak good nihongo?

[4:56] ObieTwice[9k]: man, i feel like i am losing... oh wait, this is not one of my correspondence games... i though the stones looked way too organized

[4:56] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I can't understadn the nico website :(

[4:56] phil.bordelon[25k]: AGA should be going live momentarily

[4:57] pagia[2d]: Because black is lagging

[4:57] flexo37[8k]: Amazing how AlphaGo has played down in pairs like 3 times in a row

[4:57] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: I find this confusing is this actually live? I'm on my phone and won't watch the YT stream

[4:57] tinuviel[8k]: ObieTwice: lol

[4:57] thouis[6k]: it's live

[4:57] thouis[6k]: ish

[4:57] hasan.aljudy[8k]: yea this is live

[4:57] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yes, this is effectively live.

[4:57] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: there's also the livestream here with different pro: http://www.pandanet.co.jp/event/dmcm/

[4:58] lily m[4d]: its likely that the result will be 0-3

[4:58] Traveller[13k]: Moves here seem to be played before the DeepMind YouTube stream.

[4:58] ObieTwice[9k]: good ol' panda net... here's a picutre of stuff

Move 0 + 28

[4:58] flexo37[8k]: What button do I press on that pandanet JP site to watch?

Move 0 + 34

[4:58] kingkimchi[3d]: youtube english stream is not very good, better if you understand japanese.korean.chinese

[4:58] AerialSnack[15k]: What do you think is the best stream to watch if you know how to play?

Move 0 + 28

[4:58] flexo37[8k]: & is the commentary in english?

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[4:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Ugh, if only I finished learning Japanese

[4:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: Traveller: You're probably a bit behind. Hit the Options gear and "1.25x" to catch up.

[4:59] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: right now this one if you want to see 9 dan pro variations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtZdAaInEM

Move 0 + 28

[4:59] flexo37[8k]: How can we find the streams we're talking about.. maybe we need to search

Move 0 + 34

[4:59] Traveller[13k]: Does happen, but even when I am caught up there is a bit of a lag

[4:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: Odd pronunciation of "disciples" Redmond has

[4:59] tyraindreams[22k]: so much of a language i dont speak :/

[4:59] mjmaher[12k]: The AGA stream has been pretty good

[4:59] ObieTwice[9k]: there's a decent stream on the babber at the top

[4:59] thouis[6k]: If I were the AlphaGo wrangler, I'd be taking shots the whole time

[5:00] ObieTwice[9k]: or banner even

[5:00] jvolkman[24k]: Chrome's built-in translate will translate youtube live chat messages as they appear.

[5:00] semico[10k]: haha, i thought "babber" was some new web design term id never heard

[5:00] myrcutio[6k]: they're developers, i bet they were taking shots while they were writing AG

[5:01] semico[10k]: i can't code drunk

[5:01] semico[10k]: (only high)

[5:01] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I like how the igo japanese stream goes over more variations

Move 0 + 40

[5:01] pagia[2d]: Variation: Er.....

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[5:01] tyraindreams[22k]: blazehax

[5:01] apetresc[4k]: Link to the japanese stream?

[5:01] thouis[6k]: I'm ok coding drunkish.

[5:01] semico[10k]: e14 lookin deader by the minute

Move 0 + 35

[5:01] apetresc[4k]: Oh found it, thanks! :)

[5:02] hasan.aljudy[8k]: someone posted it earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZtZdAaInEM

[5:02] semico[10k]: anybody got a link to the uncommented?

[5:02] semico[10k]: i wanna watch sedol furrow his brow and drink water

[5:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: Still haven't seen it posted yet, semico

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[5:02] semico[10k]: thx

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[5:02] pagia[2d]: Lee seems make mistake at the battle..

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[5:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: may be worth asking the AGA folks

[5:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: since they have access to it

[5:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: (as do all the broadcasters)

[5:02] semico[10k]: eh, no biggie

[5:03] samuel_god[9k]: It's hard to understand the japanese commentary. I "speak japanese' but i'm having trouble

[5:03] semico[10k]: redmond suggested W E12 whcih i like

[5:04] hasan.aljudy[8k]: for me e10 seems necessary

[5:04] myrcutio[6k]: the AGA editor has horrible commentary

[5:04] dneg[3k]: MR isn't suggesting E12 - he is showing why it's not good for w

[5:04] mark5000[2d]: lol Mike's english though

[5:05] semico[10k]: lmao nobody likes garlock

[5:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: "confronshunal"

[5:05] mark5000[2d]: disipl

[5:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: ITT new words coined

[5:05] Shenzao[15k]: Redmond's English is degraded. I don't blame him, but I can't help hearing the problems.

[5:05] semico[10k]: hahaha

[5:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yeah, dissiple took me a moment to actually understand

[5:05] dneg[3k]: i have no problem with MR english

[5:05] Traveller[13k]: Could be a glitch in the feed

Move 0 + 37

[5:06] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: takao 9p: it would be scary for black to attack white more than this. very hard to read.

[5:06] myrcutio[6k]: his brain is only speaking in go right now

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[5:06] pagia[2d]: Variation: E10 isn't good

Move 0 + 37

[5:06] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: and lee actually attack lol

[5:06] Shenzao[15k]: Don't get me wrong. I can understand him. I just can't tune out the ambiguities.

[5:06] samuel_god[9k]: Do you guys think alphago is concious?

[5:06] nogtv[15k]: no

[5:06] Sexy Toaster[13k]: yes

Move 0 + 38

[5:06] thouis[6k]: maybe

[5:07] thouis[6k]: power triangle!

Move 0 + 38

[5:07] Traveller[13k]: I do not feel AG is self-aware

[5:07] lichungchang[7k]: concious? it has a value network

[5:07] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: takao 9p: If AlphaGo knows a clever move in the fight here, it's over for black

[5:07] lichungchang[7k]: at one point, the value network will ask 'what's the value of my existence'?

[5:07] hasan.aljudy[8k]: is the corner alive for black?

[5:08] chrono1122[2k]: still alive xD

[5:08] eziak[21k]: Is the AGA stream going live soon?

[5:08] ende23r[12k]: if the values network ever asks 'what is the value of my existence', every programmer should be fired

[5:08] jvolkman[24k]: they're having tech difficulties

[5:08] chrono1122[2k]: c12 then c18?

[5:08] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yeah, they're doing forced Windows updates :P

[5:08] semico[10k]: shut it down

[5:08] phil.bordelon[25k]: and also apparently aren't gonna give us the link to the no-commentary video

[5:08] Traveller[13k]: Darkstar!

[5:08] semico[10k]: lmao "cho chikun... he's a korean player, and a korean PERSON, but... he's a player who..."

[5:08] ObieTwice[9k]: i feel like black can cause problems here

Move 0 + 39

[5:09] myrcutio[6k]: blacks stones are so heavy

[5:09] dneg[3k]: look at semico he is 10k lmao

[5:09] HowToPlay?[7k]: Who wants to take over the relay for me?

[5:09] semico[10k]: yea, what of it :)

[5:10] dneg[3k]: nothing :)

[5:10] jvolkman[24k]: Are there usually commentary streams with other 9p players like this for big games, or is this special?

[5:10] yishn[7k]: @semico: he meant he's a korean person, but a player in the japanese system

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[5:10] thouis[6k]: not so many as this, usually

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[5:10] Picayune[13k]: Are the moves hat are being played ahead of actual play?

[5:10] semico[10k]: ohhh, that makes sense. thanks

[5:10] ObieTwice[9k]: there are others... this just has a lot of western attention, jvolkman

[5:10] Picayune[13k]: Or are they more real-time than the stream?

[5:10] .Rev[16k]: AGA stream is live: https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb/live

[5:11] semico[10k]: were there any english commentary streams for the sedol/li jubango?

[5:11] hasan.aljudy[8k]: C6 is getting weaker

[5:11] ObieTwice[9k]: for example... my flatmate and dad can barely spell Go... and they have both "told me about" this math

[5:11] ObieTwice[9k]: match**

Move 0 + 43

[5:11] phil.bordelon[25k]: I can take over if no one else offered, HowToPlay?, not that I've ever used this site before two days ago :P

[5:11] clee24[25k]: and the attack

[5:11] ObieTwice[9k]: in other words... as viral as Go can get in the west... i fell like it has

[5:12] calantir[4k]: Howtoplay?: AerialSnack said he'd take over for you

[5:12] calantir[4k]: can you pass control to him

Move

: Control passed to AerialSnack

Move 0 + 43

[5:12] kanzenryu[16k]: Imagine if Lee wins a couple of games. The worldwide press coverage could be huge.

[5:12] HowToPlay?[7k]: ok good night

[5:12] semico[10k]: in b4 we pass it to the wrong person and they draw dicks outta go stones

[5:12] ObieTwice[9k]: oh good... now we can see all our snacks at once

[5:12] semico[10k]: good night, how to play

[5:12] AerialSnack[15k]: not to mention the money

[5:12] calantir[4k]: good night and thanks!

[5:12] Manslay[1d]: thanks HowToPlay!

Move 0 + 45

[5:12] phil.bordelon[25k]: Thanks again, HowToPlay?.

[5:13] ObieTwice[9k]: you da person. howta!

[5:13] VítorOliveira[16k]: Variation: Thanks dude

[5:13] thouis[6k]: +1

[5:13] samuel_god[9k]: Mark, who would you say is ahead? Any thoughts on what each player's goals are?

[5:14] AerialSnack[15k]: What's the link to the game without commentary

[5:14] cdybeijing[1d]: this is a crazy fight

[5:14] phil.bordelon[25k]: Still haven't found it, Aerial

[5:14] phil.bordelon[25k]: I've been poking around

Move 0 + 46

[5:14] tankbard[11k]: G11

Move 0 + 45

[5:14] AerialSnack[15k]: not as crazyas first game

[5:14] kitten1[6k]: I didn't miss as much as I feared I might!

Move 0 + 46

[5:14] calantir[4k]: I'd say right now each player is trying to live, and emerge with sente

[5:14] AerialSnack[15k]: I should probably find my flasses

[5:14] AerialSnack[15k]: glasses*

[5:14] samuel_god[9k]: White has no problem with life though, I think

[5:14] AgroRachmatullah[12k]: 2 japanese pros on nico livestream: I'd rather play white at this point

[5:15] calantir[4k]: samuel_god - white has 2 groups that need eyes

[5:15] flexo37[8k]: AlphaGo play looks so organic

[5:15] thouis[6k]: calantir: white has two pros thinking it has them

[5:15] samuel_god[9k]: Flexo, "organic" that's ironic

[5:15] pagia[2d]: Alpha go make an exchange....E14 group live,but c6 will be attacked

[5:15] kitten1[6k]: huh, white has two weak groups to black's one, though

[5:15] eziak[21k]: Is there concern about the fact that lee sedol has 25 minutes less at this point? in the game?

[5:15] ObieTwice[9k]: one of these players is waterproof

[5:16] AerialSnack[15k]: I don't think it's much of a concern

[5:16] AerialSnack[15k]: Since byo-yomi will probably be endgame, which wont take much more thana minute per move

[5:16] samuel_god[9k]: Lee isn't *totally* waterproof. I'd give him maybe 90 seconds under water tops

[5:16] chrono1122[2k]: E9?

[5:17] AerialSnack[15k]: I personally don't see much use in E9

Move 0 + 47

[5:17] kitten1[6k]: black can't locally ignore G11

[5:17] ObieTwice[9k]: waterproof =/= can live underwater

[5:17] semico[10k]: corpses are not waterproof though

[5:17] pagia[2d]: E12 is a gote for black....must play at that point by gote....

[5:17] samuel_god[9k]: +1

[5:17] calantir[4k]: AGA YT stream: https://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live

[5:18] chrono1122[2k]: dont see how f12 i better than f13

Move 0 + 49

[5:18] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: d1

Move 0 + 47

[5:18] AerialSnack[15k]: why not G12?

[5:18] AerialSnack[15k]: after white connects

[5:18] chrono1122[2k]: risky cut then

[5:18] pagia[2d]: G12 lost sente

[5:19] AerialSnack[15k]: So does E12

Move 0 + 48

[5:19] AerialSnack[15k]: another shoulder hit

[5:19] thouis[6k]: wow

[5:19] hasan.aljudy[8k]: is C3 possible for B?

[5:20] AerialSnack[15k]: hmm

[5:20] tankbard[11k]: So we've all just learned to shoulder hit all the time, right?

[5:20] AerialSnack[15k]: obviously

[5:20] AerialSnack[15k]: I mean, I do it anyways

[5:20] AerialSnack[15k]: but now I'll do it even more

[5:20] tankbard[11k]: That means tengen is best move

[5:20] tankbard[11k]: Impossible to shoulder hit

[5:20] semico[10k]: corners, shoulder hits, sides, center

[5:21] flexo37[8k]: I'm hoping for a bamboo joint

[5:21] thouis[6k]: the new plan

[5:21] phil.bordelon[25k]: Apparently folks on KGS have the magic link

[5:21] pagia[2d]: exchange,alphago begin to attack C6

[5:21] Panada[15k]: i do too

[5:21] semico[10k]: a bamboo joint seems like it would be hard for your lungs

[5:21] Panada[15k]: but idont know if i would get in trouble by giving it out

[5:21] phil.bordelon[25k]: How would you get in trouble?

[5:21] flexo37[8k]: do share

[5:22] Panada[15k]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti04QT9M2Is

[5:22] thouis[6k]: thx

[5:22] tankbard[11k]: in b4 rickroll

[5:22] semico[10k]: b4 strong move

[5:23] thouis[6k]: that link is about 1 minute behind, based on clocks

[5:23] semico[10k]: (not really)

[5:23] tankbard[11k]: I totally meant to do that

[5:23] flexo37[8k]: I have no idea what that is

[5:23] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yeah, it's a rebroadcast

[5:23] phil.bordelon[25k]: not the Google original

[5:23] pagia[2d]: I prefer G12 at first

[5:23] flexo37[8k]: anyone have anything in english?

[5:23] Panada[15k]: the best i can do unfortunatley >_>

[5:24] flexo37[8k]: thanks tho

[5:24] Jonasd[8k]: lee using a lot more time this game

[5:24] AerialSnack[15k]: Does the original stream have sound?

[5:24] kitten1[6k]: well, shoulder hits are generally the most severe attack you can perform on an invading stone

[5:25] phil.bordelon[25k]: my memory of the one from yesterday was that it had table sounds

[5:25] phil.bordelon[25k]: but nothing else

[5:25] AerialSnack[15k]: Okay, that's what I want

[5:25] AerialSnack[15k]: So I can hear when they play

[5:25] AerialSnack[15k]: I wonder if he's drinking tea or coffee

Move 0 + 53

[5:25] pagia[2d]: Variation: A

Move 0 + 48

[5:25] Sexy Toaster[13k]: Beer

[5:25] Jonasd[8k]: its actually absinthe

[5:25] phil.bordelon[25k]: Absinthe in a mug. I like your style.

[5:26] thouis[6k]: Man, I remember when DeepBlue beat Kasparov. I ran down to Harvard Square with the game records, because back then, no youtube

[5:26] AerialSnack[15k]: drinking that moonshine

[5:26] phil.bordelon[25k]: (speaking of which, if you're ever in Vegas, Absinthe is bar none the best show on the strip)

Move 0 + 53

[5:26] LuiDogg[8k]: C4 what do u think?

Move 0 + 48

[5:26] thouis[6k]: now, 5 commentator streams.

[5:26] AerialSnack[15k]: I can dig the C4

Move 0 + 53

[5:26] samuel_god[9k]: I hear good things about harvard square those days

Move 0 + 48

[5:26] calantir[4k]: cho hye yeon says black's D12 group needs to run out to live

[5:27] AerialSnack[15k]: F13 keeps it alive, no?

[5:27] pagia[2d]: lower left isn't important now

[5:27] Sexy Toaster[13k]: Pro power LSD is coming on

[5:27] AerialSnack[15k]: Ah, that is true

[5:27] calantir[4k]: F13 is only 1 eye

[5:28] Tran[4k]: D6 hype

[5:28] LuiDogg[8k]: F13 is not necessary

Move 0 + 49

[5:28] flexo37[8k]: I wonder what beerslayer, who used to only play on 37x37 size boards, thinks about AlphaGo's strategy

[5:28] AerialSnack[15k]: He played that move with sass

[5:28] Tran[4k]: I love that

[5:28] tankbard[11k]: lol

[5:29] phil.bordelon[25k]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYS8Iw7qYrY looks like a super clean stream in terms of being able to see Lee Sedol's reactions. I just have it muted.

[5:29] AerialSnack[15k]: F13 connects to the E10 group, giving it a way to run though

[5:29] flexo37[8k]: white just gonna make another pair

[5:29] tankbard[11k]: when in doubt, increase the value of the fight

[5:29] Tran[4k]: instead of just coming out with F9, he counter attackts

[5:29] LuiDogg[8k]: this match looks tough and complicated. anyone agree?

[5:29] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh, I see, it can connect either way

[5:29] aysz88[23k]: Yeah DeepMind has the unlisted stream locked down apparently

[5:29] AerialSnack[15k]: It's the E10 group that need to run xD

[5:29] dneg[3k]: omg w connect up there and

[5:30] samuel_god[9k]: When lee plays unusual moves people seem to think they're mistakes, when alphago does it, it's revolutionary insight...

Move 0 + 51

[5:30] AerialSnack[15k]: Because mistake is human nature

[5:30] flexo37[8k]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYS8Iw7qYrY thanks phil - this is great visual for the game

[5:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: Welcome!

[5:30] dneg[3k]: lol samuel_god

[5:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: I refused to give up the search :)

[5:30] pagia[2d]: this battle is too hard for black i think

[5:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: also, their overlay tech for variations is hella tight

Move 0 + 52

[5:31] phil.bordelon[25k]: although I continue to lust over that magnetic standee goban they're using in the official stream

[5:31] AerialSnack[15k]: If I fall behind, yell at me. I'm trying to play it out on a board and explain what's happening to a friend who just learned the rules halfan hour ago

[5:31] LuiDogg[8k]: i think black is losing at this moment

[5:31] thouis[6k]: you mean, stones with colored circles on them?

[5:31] chrono1122[2k]: is black making a bet for all?

[5:31] LuiDogg[8k]: white is gaining too many territory by forcing black to survive E10

[5:31] AerialSnack[15k]: F9?

[5:32] AerialSnack[15k]: No wait

[5:32] AerialSnack[15k]: I think it's dead

[5:32] LuiDogg[8k]: yes

[5:32] LuiDogg[8k]: forcing black to escape and kill this two bottom black

[5:32] AerialSnack[15k]: Can black escape?

[5:32] AerialSnack[15k]: G9 response to F9

[5:33] AerialSnack[15k]: F7 was a good move

[5:33] LuiDogg[8k]: i dont think it is a problem for Lee Sedol to escape. the problem is can he gain territory while escape

[5:34] tankbard[11k]: Yeah, that group looks like a pretty big liability right now...

[5:34] lichungchang[7k]: lee is 30 min short

[5:34] kitten1[6k]: two groups that need to run to the center

[5:35] Tran[4k]: thanks for the japan commentary

[5:35] Tran[4k]: there's a chance of seki

[5:35] semico[10k]: aga chat nominated alpha go for president

[5:35] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: AlphaGo learnt from its mistakes. Does it still make mistakes or is it perfect play?

[5:35] samuel_god[9k]: Its not perfect play

[5:35] AerialSnack[15k]: Hard to tell

[5:35] AerialSnack[15k]: Well, definitely not perfect play

[5:36] chrono1122[2k]: there is not perfect play in go :)

[5:36] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, not really possible

[5:36] samuel_god[9k]: There is

[5:36] samuel_god[9k]: But alpha go isn't it

[5:36] hasan.aljudy[8k]: is it fair to say E14 was an overplay?

Move 0 + 16

[5:36] AerialSnack[15k]: Eh

[5:36] AerialSnack[15k]: Maybe

Move 0

[5:36] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: Are there people analyzing AlphaGo's mistakes?

Move 0 + 52

[5:36] Pempu[2d]: what is going on?

[5:36] yishn[7k]: uhm... what's happening?

[5:37] diatom[14k]: what mistakes?

[5:37] thouis[6k]: AerialSnack's cat

[5:37] chrono1122[2k]: troyan virus on alphago? xD

[5:37] Traveller[13k]: Active thread on AlphaGo weakness in the ComputerGo mailing list.

[5:37] samuel_god[9k]: Go is a perfect information game. It's calculable from first principles. In theory, one could make a decision tree with every possible permutation of the board, and this would be perfect play. Just like with tic-tac-toe. That's way too hard for go, so they need to use AI instead. But therefore, alphago isn't playing *perfect* moves.

[5:37] Traveller[13k]: Currently discussing where to look, none found yet

Move 0 + 55

[5:39] pagia[2d]: Variation: A

Move 0 + 53

[5:39] Tran[4k]: samuel_god: yep, Go is just an antagonistic game

Move 0 + 55

[5:39] starzig42[2d]: this looks terrible for black now

Move 0 + 54

[5:39] kitten1[6k]: you're not wrong samuel, but the very scope of the goban is so massive that even alphago's considerable processing power isn't near enough to play perfectly

[5:39] Shenzao[15k]: I was worried earlier about time. My worry increases because the disparity has doubled.

[5:40] cdybeijing[1d]: I predict an early resignation

[5:40] AerialSnack[15k]: ^

[5:40] AerialSnack[15k]: What do you think, 10 more moves?

[5:40] semico[10k]: yeah this is bad

[5:40] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: One day, a supercomputer calculating the economic values of the choices it makes decides that humans are harming the Earth and, having calculated the value, noticed that it would be best to kill all humans alive

[5:40] lichungchang[7k]: really? 10 moves?

[5:40] hasan.aljudy[8k]: AlphaGo is not spending alot of time thinking, it's like it already saw all the variations!!

[5:40] tankbard[11k]: Yeah, I dunno what the game plan here was for LSD

[5:41] phil.bordelon[25k]: Aw, Korean stream, y u show random commentators

[5:41] samuel_god[9k]: I wonder if getting outmatched like this is really depressing and crushing for LSD, or if it's really refreshing and inspiring and feels good to have things shaken up.

[5:41] thouis[6k]: korean commentators look sad

[5:41] AerialSnack[15k]: Did you mean Ke Jie samuel?

[5:41] lichungchang[7k]: H11

Move 0 + 55

[5:42] phil.bordelon[25k]: I know I've already stated my partisanship, but honestly I think it'll be way better for him if he loses this game, because then 4 and 5 come to be about learning how to be more awesome via AlphaGo rather than "saving humanity"

[5:42] phil.bordelon[25k]: whatever the hell that means

[5:42] phil.bordelon[25k]: (protip: it means nothing)

[5:43] Shenzao[15k]: J11 <- Game move for white.

Move 0 + 56

[5:43] AerialSnack[15k]: ANOTHER SHOULDER HIT

[5:43] AerialSnack[15k]: well, armpit hit

[5:43] thouis[6k]: WITH A TABLE

[5:43] semico[10k]: sedol considering nuclear tesuji

[5:43] yattaran[15k]: someone call the antman pls

[5:43] thouis[6k]: HIT ON SHOULDER WITH TABLE. HE'S DOWN

[5:43] chrono1122[2k]: i dont like the way it looks for LSD now

[5:44] AerialSnack[15k]: at least his group lived? :D

[5:44] Traveller[13k]: No commentator seems to like LSD position right now

[5:44] Shenzao[15k]: C7 <- Black.

[5:44] thouis[6k]: This is my usual commentary to myself when losing... "well, at least my group lived

Move 0 + 57

[5:45] phil.bordelon[25k]: Oh, I see now, this must actually be a TV broadcast, so the derpy "YouTube" splash is when it's playing commercials

[5:45] chrono1122[2k]: dont think LSD is happy with only living xD

[5:45] pagia[2d]: C7 .....Is the dragon of black no problem?

[5:45] Shenzao[15k]: F5 <- White.

[5:45] hasan.aljudy[8k]: it seems like attacking D9 is the best option

[5:45] cdybeijing[1d]: too slow to directly defend it again

[5:45] hasan.aljudy[8k]: but it doesn't seem like it can die

[5:46] cdybeijing[1d]: but no, dragon still has problems

[5:46] Panada[15k]: i dont think the black dragon is ok. rather for now it can still escape because of h9

Move 0 + 58

[5:46] AerialSnack[15k]: What's the operators name?

[5:46] samuel_god[9k]: AGA channel is already discussing what lee's using move was, lol

[5:46] phil.bordelon[25k]: Aja?

[5:46] AerialSnack[15k]: Because he played that move like he was saying "You're done for"

[5:46] Shenzao[15k]: E6 <-

[5:46] thouis[6k]: I wonder if he can see evaluation score

[5:46] phil.bordelon[25k]: He's one of the main programmers of DeepMind

[5:46] Traveller[13k]: Aja Huang

[5:47] phil.bordelon[25k]: The views I've seen of his screen don't look like they show valuation, which is smart, because presumably Lee Sedol could see the screen when he gets up/moves around

[5:47] tankbard[11k]: Yeah, that seemed pretty solid

Move 0 + 59

[5:47] AerialSnack[15k]: No reason to see evaluation score when you can see win percentages

[5:47] Shenzao[15k]: F8 <- White

[5:47] trohde[9k]: does anybody know who the lady in the background of the AGA stream is? 3p IIRC, but can't remember her name

[5:48] Traveller[13k]: 9p

Move 0 + 61

[5:48] tankbard[11k]: Main commentator is 9p, not sure who the guests are

Move 0 + 60

[5:48] chrono1122[2k]: so empty triangles are not that bad xD

[5:48] AerialSnack[15k]: F8 seems weird to me

[5:48] trohde[9k]: no, not Cho Hye-yeon, the woman standing behind her

[5:48] tankbard[11k]: AG's probably just playing solidly

Move 0 + 65

[5:49] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: Best scenario what do u guys think?

Move 0 + 60

[5:49] Traveller[13k]: Don't recognize her

[5:49] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, probably LuiDogg

[5:49] NewNoob[4k]: that's bad

[5:49] phil.bordelon[25k]: Her name is in the chat on the AGA stream

[5:50] phil.bordelon[25k]: longest commercial break ever...

[5:50] calantir[4k]: Koh Juyeon 4p

[5:50] samuel_god[9k]: So, is this good or bad for the world of Go as a whole?

Move 0 + 66

[5:50] pagia[2d]: Variation: no work

Move 0 + 60

[5:50] Traveller[13k]: You are faster than I, calantir :-)

Move 0 + 33

[5:50] bmc[11k]: good

[5:51] bmc[11k]: this is awesome publicity

Move 0 + 60

[5:51] thouis[6k]: good

Move 0 + 33

[5:51] bmc[11k]: people are hearing about go for the first time

Move 0 + 60

[5:51] kitten1[6k]: yeah, even my video game and tech forums are talking about this series. XD it's nice to see go talked about again

[5:51] trohde[9k]: thx calantir

[5:51] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yeah, it's huge.

Move 0 + 33

[5:51] bmc[11k]: and humans will soon have much better partners to train with

Move 0 + 60

[5:51] yishn[7k]: good, maybe we can get some inspiration from alphago

[5:51] phil.bordelon[25k]: I gave a tech talk at work about go today because of this

[5:51] kitten1[6k]: this is probably the best publicity Go has gotten since Hikaru no Go.

[5:51] phil.bordelon[25k]: and there were like 20 people there

Move 0 + 33

[5:51] bmc[11k]: chess players got far better once strong AIs came out

Move 0 + 60

[5:51] Shenzao[15k]: B9 <- Black

[5:51] Panada[15k]: i think without the publicity its still good. cuz it means that even at the top of the board there can always be improvement

[5:51] LuiDogg[8k]: Pagia i get your point but LSD does not have a choice

Move 0 + 61

[5:52] AerialSnack[15k]: Shenzao called it xD

[5:52] samuel_god[9k]: You're not at all concerned that go will go the way of chess though? I hear at their tournaments they have to be careful becuase pros can sneak off to the bathroom and consult their smartphones, which play stronger than any human. Seems humiliating.

[5:52] Shenzao[15k]: I'm watching it live. I'm not calling anything.

[5:52] Shenzao[15k]: B10 <- White

[5:52] kitten1[6k]: At the very least, it'll take away for a smartphone to have the processing power to match alphago. XD

Move 0 + 64

[5:52] thouis[6k]: samuel_god: don't do that, then. less humiliation

Move 0 + 61

[5:52] Shenzao[15k]: A10 <- Black

[5:52] phil.bordelon[25k]: As I mentioned in that tech talk, "and everyone knows that, after 1997, no one ever played chess again"

[5:52] kitten1[6k]: *awhile

Move 0 + 63

[5:53] kitten1[6k]: yeah, the level of play can only improve with good ai

[5:53] AerialSnack[15k]: No one but Magnus

[5:53] chrono1122[2k]: niceeeeee

[5:53] Quenz[22k]: AlphaGo is spelled without a space.

[5:53] kitten1[6k]: black's connected. still a bad trade for him

[5:54] Shenzao[15k]: H7 <- White

[5:54] samuel_god[9k]: But level of play does not necessarily mean it's good for the world of go. NOt that this is necesarily how it would go, but it's concievable that, for example, the level of go played could get better, even as way fewer people play go.

Move 0 + 64

[5:54] samuel_god[9k]: Or the professional world gets undercut

[5:54] samuel_god[9k]: Or something

[5:54] AerialSnack[15k]: Shenzao, stop it

[5:54] AerialSnack[15k]: That's scary

[5:54] chrono1122[2k]: shenzao is sai ? xDD

[5:55] hasan.aljudy[8k]: B8 is sente right?

[5:55] thouis[6k]: Shenzao ha a live feed

[5:55] hasan.aljudy[8k]: for black

[5:55] Shenzao[15k]: No no. I reiterate. I'm reporting moves as I see them.

[5:55] phil.bordelon[25k]: I think that if go can't survive AI play now, it can't survive it ever. It's inevitable anyway. I'm not personally worried, though.

[5:55] kitten1[6k]: still, it seems you're being overly pessimistic. The world of go will be affected, but it'll adapt.

[5:55] Shenzao[15k]: These are not predictions.

[5:55] Shenzao[15k]: These are the game.

[5:55] tankbard[11k]: That's exactly what a fatalistic prophet would say!

[5:55] tankbard[11k]: brb pitchforks

[5:55] Shenzao[15k]: H10 <- Black

[5:55] dneg[3k]: lol

[5:56] SlowLarry[15k]: kill the witch

[5:56] phil.bordelon[25k]: ah, yes, us fatalic dissipuls

[5:56] kingkimchi[3d]: hasan, to answer your question, b8 is not sente for black.

[5:56] flexo37[8k]: white making a perfect circle

[5:56] kingkimchi[3d]: there are other moves more important right now

Move 0 + 65

[5:56] AerialSnack[15k]: Lee Sedol freaked out after that move

[5:56] Shenzao[15k]: Lee Sedol's hands shook with move 65/

[5:57] Shenzao[15k]: H11 <- White

[5:57] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, then he had a little spasm

[5:57] AerialSnack[15k]: probably, since that's a peep

Move 0 + 66

[5:57] phil.bordelon[25k]: not probably. Shenzao is watching it :P

[5:57] Shenzao[15k]: G10 <- Black

[5:58] flexo37[8k]: textbook

[5:58] semico[10k]: Shenzao [9P]

[5:58] flexo37[8k]: the AGA commentary stream is great

[5:58] Shenzao[15k]: I wish, semico.

[5:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: where's your live feed from, Shenzao?

[5:58] trohde[9k]: if you movethe mouse over the video, you can see a small text “live” and a dot,if the dot is not red, then click “live”, and the stream willcatch up

[5:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Wait

[5:58] trohde[9k]: I also see it already when Shenzao posts it

[5:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Where are you watching is Shenzao?

[5:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh

[5:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Is my stream lagging?

[5:58] Shenzao[15k]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLqYmG7hTraZA7v9Hpbps0QNmJC4L1NE3S&v=qUAmTYHEyM8

[5:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: if you want to catch up without missing commentary, hit the gear and click "1.25x" for speed

[5:59] lichungchang[7k]: time for shoulder hit!

[5:59] hasan.aljudy[8k]: B played G10

Move 0 + 67

[5:59] AerialSnack[15k]: Indeed it was

Move 0 + 68

[5:59] Shenzao[15k]: K11 J8 W B respectively

[5:59] myrcutio[6k]: 1300+ observers in this review, kudos to OGS for handling this volume

[5:59] Pempu[2d]: myrcutio: it's a bug

[5:59] thouis[6k]: jot actually. 428

[5:59] thouis[6k]: not

Move 0 + 69

[5:59] myrcutio[6k]: ah

[5:59] Pempu[2d]: 427 is real

[6:00] trohde[9k]: AlphaGo will find out that the ideal Go is actually Atari-Go

[6:00] hasan.aljudy[8k]: alphago will soon start the ko

[6:00] Pempu[2d]: It's fun to finally see a real ko

[6:00] calantir[4k]: where's the ko?

[6:01] Shenzao[15k]: K6 <- White

Move 0 + 78

[6:01] kingkimchi[3d]: Variation: d1

Move 0 + 73

[6:01] Pempu[2d]: Variation: Ko

Move 0 + 70

[6:01] Quenz[22k]: Yeah I don't see a ko?

[6:01] AerialSnack[15k]: Okay

[6:01] Shenzao[15k]: If I'm getting annoying, let me know.

[6:01] AerialSnack[15k]: why is my stream so behind

[6:01] AerialSnack[15k]: Nah, it's cool Shenzao

[6:02] semico[10k]: you could just pass presenter to shenzao :|

Move 0 + 73

[6:02] chrono1122[2k]: dont get it

Move 0 + 70

[6:02] yishn[7k]: We could also give Shenzao control

[6:02] Pempu[2d]: haha my "ko" variation is not ko at all

Move 0 + 73

[6:02] kingkimchi[3d]: to pempu

[6:02] kingkimchi[3d]: Variation: d2

[6:02] kingkimchi[3d]: ko variation is

Move 0 + 77

[6:02] kingkimchi[3d]: Variation: d3

Move 0 + 70

[6:02] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh, Shenzao, would you mind running it?

[6:02] Pempu[2d]: you aslready shared that

[6:03] Shenzao[15k]: I don't mind.

[6:03] phil.bordelon[25k]: Dat time differential...

Move

: Control passed to Shenzao

Move 0 + 70

[6:03] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, my stream is a minute behind for some reason

[6:03] AerialSnack[15k]: I can't fix it

[6:03] Traveller[13k]: Was just looking at that

[6:03] Quenz[22k]: Press the gear on youtube and speed it up 'till it catches up

[6:04] AerialSnack[15k]: I'm watching from my wii uxD

[6:04] aysz88[23k]: AerialSnack are you watching official Google/Deepmind or a different stream?

[6:04] phil.bordelon[25k]: lelz

[6:04] AerialSnack[15k]: I'm watching the original stream

[6:04] aysz88[23k]: Oh never mind, the re-encoding delay is RIP

Move 0 + 71

[6:04] AerialSnack[15k]: Which stream has the best english commentary?

[6:04] Traveller[13k]: C3

[6:05] Traveller[13k]: ?

[6:05] lichungchang[7k]: not enough time!

[6:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: I fear another 40-minute Lee Sedol-in-byoyomi

[6:05] Traveller[13k]: AGA imho

[6:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: which is just asking for mistakes

[6:05] tankbard[11k]: Time difference is becoming pretty big yeah

[6:05] lichungchang[7k]: lee only has 36 min left

Move 0 + 72

[6:05] Picayune[13k]: I feel like KGS's tictactoe is the best

[6:05] Picayune[13k]: With AGA's conversation

[6:05] AerialSnack[15k]: ccan you shoot me a link Traveller?

[6:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: they also clearly have the best username :)

[6:06] Tran[4k]: omg, what kind of pro commentator is that?

[6:06] phil.bordelon[25k]: it's in the top-right of this window, AerialSnack

Move 0 + 73

[6:06] phil.bordelon[25k]: https://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live

[6:06] Tran[4k]: he says smth like white if not C4, then B5 can kill black?

[6:06] Traveller[13k]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s

[6:06] kingkimchi[3d]: D3 seems unreasonable, was expecting B3, but it shows Lee is desperate

[6:07] trohde[9k]: Tran: AGA stream is with Cho Hye-yeon 9p

Move 0 + 75

[6:07] jsl[11k]: Redmond seems to say D3 was fine

Move 0 + 77

[6:07] Tran[4k]: Variation: alive. pro commentator in google's stream weaker than me in life & death? lol

Move 0 + 76

[6:09] Tran[4k]: I think the corner moves are just for reducing and preparing for invasion at the bottom

[6:09] starzig42[2d]: doesn't it strengthen the bottom instead ?

Move 0 + 77

[6:09] apetresc[4k]: !?

[6:09] myrcutio[6k]: wtf?

[6:10] yishn[7k]: ooh

[6:10] Jonasd[8k]: O_o

[6:10] samuel_god[9k]: I'm ecstatic

[6:10] tankbard[11k]: Yeah it kind of feels like he's on tilt right now

[6:10] samuel_god[9k]: That's a fun movev

[6:10] myrcutio[6k]: them's fightin moves

[6:10] kitten1[6k]: playing against white's wall to the west

[6:10] samuel_god[9k]: What happens if AlphaGo plays B4?

[6:10] Tran[4k]: starzig42: hmm, it still very open, and Q2 lives

[6:10] chrono1122[2k]: one move only pros can make, if an amateur makes it its wrong xD

[6:10] kitten1[6k]: and setting up a stone for his group to run to

[6:11] hasan.aljudy[8k]: funny, Redmon just showed the ladder works for B

[6:11] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I Thought K11 would rescue W, but I can't read ladder situations like that

Move 0 + 78

[6:11] flexo37[8k]: omg he has to play mirror go next game

[6:11] flexo37[8k]: that will be the ultimate game

[6:12] Jonasd[8k]: xD

Move 0 + 99

[6:12] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: in case u dont know the ladder works or not

Move 0 + 79

[6:13] Tran[4k]: lol

[6:13] hasan.aljudy[8k]: thanks @LuiDogg

[6:13] LuiDogg[8k]: no problem

Move 0 + 81

[6:14] samuel_god[9k]: Any dans want to try counting and giving a score estimate?

Move 0 + 82

[6:14] kitten1[6k]: scoring is chinese, no?

[6:14] semico[10k]: bout tree fitty

[6:15] Traveller[13k]: Yes, Chinese

[6:15] lichungchang[7k]: 7.5

[6:15] kitten1[6k]: most of the board is still too open for counting to be effective. only solid points are black's top corner and bottom left.

[6:15] Pempu[2d]: samuel_god: no use for score estimation here. Humans are too weak

Move 0 + 83

[6:15] Tran[4k]: omg

[6:16] Tran[4k]: aggressive

[6:16] Panada[15k]: http://imgur.com/a/WefEN

[6:16] LuiDogg[8k]: interesting move P8

[6:16] kitten1[6k]: black's fighting spirit is a tribute to the human race

[6:16] LuiDogg[8k]: another fight

[6:16] myrcutio[6k]: b ~45 i think, w who knows. bottom is hard to read

[6:16] calantir[4k]: don't go down without a fight

Move 0 + 86

[6:16] vntut2009[1d]: Variation: Hoho

Move 0 + 84

[6:16] Tran[4k]: :D love this

Move 0 + 85

[6:17] yishn[7k]: @Panada: lool

[6:17] phil.bordelon[25k]: I don't know $*!% about Hikaru no Go, but that comic is pretty great

Move 0 + 84

[6:17] kitten1[6k]: which comic?

Move 0 + 85

[6:17] phil.bordelon[25k]: I mean, I know mumble mumble spirit mumble

[6:17] kanzenryu[16k]: Hikaru No Go is a pretty good read. It's also an anime series

Move 0 + 104

[6:17] vntut2009[1d]: Variation: Hoho

Move 0 + 85

[6:17] Tran[4k]: HYPE, P9 and R3 miai for black

[6:17] Pempu[2d]: Panada: that strip is hilarious

[6:18] samuel_god[9k]: Hoho said the keeper of the beat

[6:18] Panada[15k]: someone in AGA chat chared it

[6:18] Panada[15k]: i had o bring it here :3

[6:18] Tran[4k]: or not? hmmm

Move 0 + 86

[6:18] Tran[4k]: R3?

Move 0 + 87

[6:18] Tran[4k]: ~45 points oh, push once at P9 and then R3

[6:19] Tran[4k]: and it still attacking the middle white group

[6:19] Tran[4k]: omg omg, feeling so hype

[6:19] Traveller[13k]: Thanks for the link

[6:19] Traveller[13k]: That was great

Move 0 + 84

[6:20] kitten1[6k]: haha, comparing ke jie to Ogata is so appropriate. XD

Move 0 + 88

[6:20] Tran[4k]: P9, triple purpose move :D

[6:20] myrcutio[6k]: oh man, if b can get a wall on the right in sente, he just might slay white's dragon

[6:20] Tran[4k]: now I think black smth like M8 or shoulder Q12?

[6:20] Tran[4k]: Q12 first then M8 and still have to get R3 in sente?

[6:21] kanzenryu[16k]: Hikaru No Go Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hprVR53fOE

[6:21] dashamstyr[13k]: I put on my robe and wizard's hat ...

[6:21] vntut2009[1d]: SAI < Alpha Go

[6:22] Panada[15k]: @vntut2009 idk

Move 0 + 93

[6:22] Tran[4k]: Variation: maybe? still have triangle move

Move 0 + 88

[6:22] Panada[15k]: alpha cant learn games that has no records

[6:22] kanzenryu[16k]: AlphaGo can't invisibly enter the room while you're getting dressed

Move 0 + 89

[6:22] Tran[4k]: yay, Lee played my move :D

[6:22] vntut2009[1d]: no, alpha go can

[6:22] phil.bordelon[25k]: AlphaGo is all around you

[6:23] Pempu[2d]: I would love to see H13 dragon to die big.

[6:23] Tran[4k]: or not? oh

[6:23] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I like the way B is playing

[6:23] hasan.aljudy[8k]: seems to have sort of turned things around a little bit

[6:23] Panada[15k]: LOL AGA stream died

[6:23] 0xReki[18k]: Yesterday's move some how reminds of Hiraku no Go. where Hiraku played sth. that was good in hindsight.

[6:23] pagia[2d]: white dragon is live

[6:24] Manslay[1d]: what's hiraku? :D

[6:24] Panada[15k]: Lee ran out of the room

[6:24] Starstorm3[4d]: Lee wants to kill the whole dragon!!

[6:24] Shenzao[15k]: Camera angle is bad. Can't see white's move.

[6:24] Starstorm3[4d]: GO FOR IT

[6:24] Panada[15k]: like literally RAN

[6:24] 0xReki[18k]: I mean Hikaru. that anime series.

[6:24] pagia[2d]: H17 get sente eye

Move 0 + 88

[6:24] yishn[7k]: Black at M8 is current move

Move 0 + 90

[6:25] LuiDogg[8k]: G15

[6:25] Jonasd[8k]: lee almost 40 min behind on time :s

[6:25] phil.bordelon[25k]: Probably just really had to pee

[6:25] myrcutio[6k]: here we go, time for AG to prove he can see

Move 0 + 91

[6:26] AerialSnack[15k]: White has two eyes no, right?

[6:26] AerialSnack[15k]: now*

Move 0 + 95

[6:27] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: which one?

Move 0 + 93

[6:27] samuel_god[9k]: So, any chance of lee killing the dragon?

[6:27] myrcutio[6k]: yep, it doesn't have two eyes yet

Move 0 + 94

[6:28] Tran[4k]: samuel_god: don't think that he need that. Lee still have S16 to protect the corner and reduction at M6

[6:28] pagia[2d]: the dragon is live,so Lee has lost

[6:28] Tran[4k]: samuel_god: and, black's upper left corner is not so strong to handle a killing attack like that

[6:28] Tran[4k]: I think

Move 0 + 95

[6:29] samuel_god[9k]: This may be a dumb question, but why hasn't lee played D8-C8-B8 in sente yet? I know it gives up ko threats, but it also eliminates aji of white playing B8 first, and it's sente. This has been bugging me.

[6:29] AerialSnack[15k]: H12 and G17 look like eyes to me

[6:29] calantir[4k]: Not sure it is sente

[6:30] otesuji[10k]: Variation: d1

[6:30] Pempu[2d]: Variation: Black can try to invade bottom...

[6:30] HongTatsanaviriyaporn[16k]: can black upper left connect out?

[6:30] LuiDogg[8k]: not possible @Pempu but nice try

Move 0 + 96

[6:31] hasan.aljudy[8k]: isn't B8 necessary for B? or is he purposely inviting a ko?

[6:31] Tran[4k]: samuel_god: C8 D8 is only 12 points, too small and not sente

[6:31] hasan.aljudy[8k]: but necessary for the B dragon to live, no?

[6:31] gamesorry[3d]: d8 might not be sente

[6:31] Shenzao[15k]: It was speculated that he was inviting ko.

[6:32] KeldenLin[20k]: alphago's winning right?

[6:32] SamuelKu[5k]: I like B8 to safe left

Move 0 + 97

[6:32] kitten1[6k]: black has a tough game ahead of him, sadly

[6:33] samuel_god[9k]: It doesn't look like black has a game ahead of him

[6:34] hasan.aljudy[8k]: so it seems like this stream is without commentary, just LSD and the board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti04QT9M2Is

Move 0 + 98

[6:34] pagia[2d]: Black is crash I think

[6:34] Starstorm3[4d]: invade the bottom!!!!

[6:35] Tran[4k]: Starstorm3: He is Lee Sedol, he can live everywhere :D

Move 0 + 99

[6:35] Panada[15k]: how do you get the moves so fast!

[6:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yeah, that's a rebroadcast of the private stream, hasan.aljudy; the problem is that it's ~1m behind

Move 0 + 100

[6:37] Tran[4k]: S15 creating large yose move

[6:37] kitten1[6k]: Has Iyama Yuta expressed interest in playing alphago?

[6:37] Pempu[2d]: only in fan fiction

[6:38] thouis[6k]: I think everyone has expressed interest

[6:38] Tran[4k]: I want to see old Lee Changho vs Alpha Go

[6:38] AnneOgborn[17k]: dang, no camera on Lee Sedol this time?

[6:38] SamuelKu[5k]: Should Lee can try L3 later on? White gets so much space

[6:38] Tran[4k]: stone buddha & yose genius vs computer :D

[6:39] gamesorry[3d]: It's quite hard to invade the bottom. Even q2 seems like a sente for white

Move 0 + 101

[6:40] SamuelKu[5k]: Variation: d1

[6:40] samuel_god[9k]: So, google is giving LSD $1,000,000 if he wins best of five. Does he get anything for playing if he loses?

[6:40] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yup.

[6:41] phil.bordelon[25k]: He got ~$150k just for playing

[6:41] Tran[4k]: 150 000

[6:41] phil.bordelon[25k]: and there's some amount of money per win

[6:41] Fumbar[14k]: 20k i think

Move 0 + 103

[6:41] Traveller[13k]: About

[6:41] badpunman[2d]: whoa, time travel

[6:41] Pempu[2d]: time travel?

[6:42] Tran[4k]: hmm, Q15? no more large endgame moves?

[6:42] badpunman[2d]: redmond and garlock mistake jet lag for time travel

[6:42] Pempu[2d]: haha :)

[6:42] Pempu[2d]: the jet lag fro time travel would be huge

[6:43] badpunman[2d]: i don't see sedol winning this game

Move 0 + 104

[6:43] thouis[6k]: what are the pros saying?

[6:43] Pempu[2d]: B18 ahaha :)

[6:43] trohde[9k]: samuel_god: it’s not a “best of five” match, it’s a five games match

[6:43] Tran[4k]: qut??

[6:43] myrcutio[6k]: b18 a throw in?

[6:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: I'm a fragglin' noob, but that play seems weird AF

[6:43] Tran[4k]: black is alive yes?

[6:44] Pempu[2d]: I kind of wish they would play with handicap

[6:44] thouis[6k]: future ko threats?

[6:44] Shenzao[15k]: key point for carpenter's square.

[6:44] Shenzao[15k]: Right?

[6:44] Tran[4k]: thouis: but the thing is, this will strengen black corner

[6:44] SamuelKu[5k]: C18 next I guess

[6:44] Traveller[13k]: Vital point per pro on AGA stream

[6:44] myrcutio[6k]: it's a living shape, i think w is just using it to get his eyes

[6:44] Tran[4k]: thouis: and after that black can go back and kill white's dragon

[6:44] vlin[3d]: 3:0

[6:44] Tran[4k]: myrcutio: oh, nice one

[6:45] thouis[6k]: ah, cool

[6:45] Shenzao[15k]: Lee's time is scaring me a little.

Move 0 + 105

[6:45] Traveller[13k]: He had several plays last time with less than 3 seconds on last byo-yomi

[6:46] Shenzao[15k]: Lee likes that pressure, I hear.

[6:46] phil.bordelon[25k]: yeah, those 1s-left plays two nights ago were stressful

[6:46] phil.bordelon[25k]: for me

[6:46] phil.bordelon[25k]: and I'm not even playing :p

[6:46] AerialSnack[15k]: Why not Q14 then S14?

[6:46] Traveller[13k]: ^

[6:46] Pempu[2d]: Funny that E15 is not "instant" move

Move 0 + 106

[6:46] myrcutio[6k]: i wonder how e18 h19 would turn out

[6:46] Pempu[2d]: So the computer is doing some calculation.

[6:46] thouis[6k]: maybe considering F18, first?

[6:46] badpunman[2d]: argh, i haven't done tsumegos in a long time so i can't even see this black living now

[6:47] phil.bordelon[25k]: AlphaGo is almost certainly doing calculations on *every* move, because why not

[6:47] Traveller[13k]: No reason not to take some time and look further

[6:47] phil.bordelon[25k]: particularly with the current time advantage

[6:47] phil.bordelon[25k]: be silly not to

[6:47] hasan.aljudy[8k]: is B E18 feasible?

[6:47] phil.bordelon[25k]: it's just burning electrons :)

[6:47] Shenzao[15k]: Alpha go consistently takes between 1.5-2 minutes on each move.

[6:47] Shenzao[15k]: AlphaGo*

[6:47] Pempu[2d]: Even on big atari moves?

[6:47] Fumbar[14k]: dffopppp|

[6:47] thouis[6k]: AG thinks on LSD time, I assume, and just dumps a bunch of the tree after LSD's move

[6:48] AerialSnack[15k]: Would make sense

[6:48] myrcutio[6k]: LSD does the same

[6:48] Traveller[13k]: I assume so. That hasn't been explicitly said.

[6:48] bd_[10k]: @thouis, yes, it's confirmed in the alphago paper that the competition version performs tree search during its opponent's turn

[6:48] myrcutio[6k]: i noticed that LSD gains some time on AG when there's a forcing move

[6:48] starzig42[2d]: other go programs do that as well no ?

[6:48] phil.bordelon[25k]: pretty much any semi-decent AI does

[6:48] khaaan[20k]: thous: "The match version of AlphaGo continues searching during the opponent’s move." (DeepMind Nature paper)

[6:48] Tran[4k]: how deep alphago can read?

[6:49] thouis[6k]: bd_: thanks

[6:49] phil.bordelon[25k]: That's a complex question

[6:49] myrcutio[6k]: all the way

[6:49] samuel_god[9k]: Deeper than I can

[6:49] phil.bordelon[25k]: for moves it likes, it reads *really* deep

[6:49] AerialSnack[15k]: All they way

[6:49] mark5000[2d]: Tran, it's not a valid question in the context of monte carlo

[6:49] Shenzao[15k]: His hesitation speaks volumes.

[6:49] BrandonKing[25k]: whats the estimated score at this point?

[6:49] AerialSnack[15k]: white by 50 million

[6:49] Traveller[13k]: Each rollout goes to the end of the game, but that is nothing like a complete search

[6:49] pagia[2d]: A~~~~~~~~~phago (13p) ^^\

[6:49] phil.bordelon[25k]: but the combination of two neural nets and MCDS makes answering that question way harder than for, say, a typical chess engine

Move 0 + 107

[6:50] AerialSnack[15k]: I'd say alphago has like, 80, LSD has like 50

[6:50] AerialSnack[15k]: maybe 50

[6:50] lichungchang[7k]: why LSD hasn't resigned?

[6:51] AerialSnack[15k]: He's trying to kill the dragon

[6:51] kanzenryu[16k]: Which dragon?

[6:51] Tran[4k]: I'm also wondering where does blacks territoy come from

Move 0 + 108

[6:52] Tran[4k]: btw white is not 80, it is only about 7-8 points on the right side

Move 0 + 109

[6:52] AerialSnack[15k]: I was being generous. Black has some one the left, the top corners, a bit on the bottom right

[6:52] AerialSnack[15k]: What's the bottom worth, 65?

[6:52] AerialSnack[15k]: I thought the right was about 12

[6:52] khaaan[20k]: According to figure 4(b) in the nature paper, AlphaGo, with no searching at all, just by instantly (~3 ms) evaluating its possible move, plays at the level of a 3d amateur. Combining that with a deep tree search with intelligent move selection is apparently pretty devastating.

[6:52] Tran[4k]: black already has about 50 points, white about 60..

[6:53] starzig42[2d]: bottom is more like 50 no ?

[6:53] phil.bordelon[25k]: Nice knock-on effect of these games: I ordered a pair of goban for work (a standard 19x19 and a 9x9/13x13) because people want to learn how to play :)

Move 0 + 110

[6:53] SamuelKu[5k]: Lee should try to put some stones inside the white area. After left hand corner safes, I will put L3

[6:53] spatula[7k]: bottom is white's?

Move 0 + 120

[6:53] thouis[6k]: nice

Move 0 + 110

[6:53] AerialSnack[15k]: Ah, you're right starzig

[6:53] Tran[4k]: starzig42: S9 valid yose for black?

Move 0 + 111

[6:53] LuiDogg[8k]: black no chance of winning

[6:53] Traveller[13k]: I used to play over lunch at work

Move 0 + 120

[6:53] thouis[6k]: those turn into long lunches

Move 0 + 111

[6:53] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, pretty sure white has this in the bag

[6:54] Traveller[13k]: There was another fellow there about my strength

[6:54] phil.bordelon[25k]: we already take long lunches playing board games

[6:54] phil.bordelon[25k]: so nbd :)

[6:54] Traveller[13k]: 13x13

[6:54] AnneOgborn[17k]: phil - walla walla go club, half the people at the party we had to watch first game didn't know the rules -

[6:54] Traveller[13k]: 3 games in 1 hour

Move 0 + 120

[6:54] thouis[6k]: ah, 13x13

[6:54] thouis[6k]: Used to play 19x19 at work, with the company patent attorney.

Move 0 + 111

[6:54] Tran[4k]: q14 large now?

[6:54] Traveller[13k]: My wife and I play 19x19 in about an hour

[6:55] phil.bordelon[25k]: Anne: Kinda awesome that they wanted to come anyway, though!

[6:55] HongTatsanaviriyaporn[16k]: now white dragon alive now?

[6:55] AnneOgborn[17k]: right - bet next week club has a few new members

[6:55] phil.bordelon[25k]: :D

[6:55] Traveller[13k]: I hope so

Move 0 + 112

[6:55] Tran[4k]: HongTatsanaviriyaporn: it was alive from the H17 move

Move 0 + 111

[6:55] kitten1[6k]: I wish I had people in my actual life to play with. would do wonders for my game

Move 0 + 117

[6:56] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: no chance

[6:56] hasan.aljudy[8k]: is G15 next good for B?

Move 0 + 112

[6:56] phil.bordelon[25k]: I love when Redmond just Gets It Right

[6:56] Traveller[13k]: AGA stream: LSD behind by 10+ before komi

[6:56] HongTatsanaviriyaporn[16k]: then lee cannot win this game

[6:57] badpunman[2d]: aye, alpha is just very strong

[6:57] Tran[4k]: Lee is behind for about 10-15 points by my count

[6:57] AnneOgborn[17k]: kitten - start a club!

[6:57] Tran[4k]: (10-15 already included komi)

[6:57] KeldenLin[20k]: tran where did you get that from?

[6:57] KeldenLin[20k]: kitten1: same!

[6:57] Traveller[13k]: Probably Tran's own count

[6:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: I reiterate my belief that losing here is actually healthier for Lee Sedol.

[6:58] samuel_god[9k]: He probably would disagree with you abou thtat

[6:58] AerialSnack[15k]: bahaha

[6:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: Oh, I'm sure :)

[6:58] Quenz[22k]: You mean the whole game, Phil?

[6:58] bayview[6k]: 3:0

[6:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Wait, is the corner dead?

[6:58] Pempu[2d]: LuiDogg: black doesn't need A18

[6:58] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yes. It takes the pressure off for games 4 and 5, so they can be about "what can I learn from this crazy AI" rather than "sweet Christ I have to keep winning forever"

Move 0 + 113

[6:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: which is just healthier for his future game

[6:59] hasan.aljudy[8k]: this game is so exciting!

[6:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: and sanity

Move 0 + 111

[6:59] LuiDogg[8k]: @pempu why?

Move 0 + 113

[6:59] thouis[6k]: tenuki predicted

[6:59] Quenz[22k]: But his only chance of winning the match is winning this game

Move 0 + 117

[6:59] Pempu[2d]: Variation: Seki

Move 0 + 113

[6:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: Right.

[6:59] starzig42[2d]: but it's still 2 games to try to not loose :(

[6:59] Quenz[22k]: So it depends what he values more, winning the match, learning, or just winning at least one game

[6:59] Tran[4k]: thouis: no other choices but tenuki and leaving the ko

[6:59] starzig42[2d]: and only 2 chances left

[6:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: So if he wins this the stress just ramps up every game

[7:00] Traveller[13k]: Agreed

[7:00] kanzenryu[16k]: $20,000 for winning a game

[7:00] AnneOgborn[17k]: is here a feed of just board and LSD again tonight?

[7:00] phil.bordelon[25k]: because he has to win them all

[7:00] Quenz[22k]: Or it might boost his confidence

Move 0 + 114

[7:00] Fossi[13k]: team iron \o/

[7:00] thouis[6k]: <-- not as good as alphago

Move 0 + 118

[7:00] Pempu[2d]: Variation: Ko

Move 0 + 114

[7:00] Quenz[22k]: No one is so far

[7:00] samuel_god[9k]: This is turning into a teaching game

Move 0 + 118

[7:01] badpunman[2d]: Variation: d1

Move 0 + 114

[7:01] lichungchang[7k]: wow

[7:01] Picayune[13k]: q: Does anyone feel like move 29 determined the flow of the game?

[7:01] lichungchang[7k]: brutal

[7:01] Quenz[22k]: AlphaGo will be available publically soon enough, so it's not like this is Lee's only learning opportunity from the AI

[7:01] phil.bordelon[25k]: Not sure it'll be available publically, TBH

[7:01] thouis[6k]: not for some years

[7:01] AerialSnack[15k]: How come the go to the last move button doesn't work? D:

[7:01] phil.bordelon[25k]: anytime soon

Move 0 + 115

[7:02] Tran[4k]: M5

[7:02] Tran[4k]: hmm...

[7:02] Tran[4k]: yolo :D

[7:02] LuiDogg[8k]: Hmm

[7:02] Traveller[13k]: Maybe an online service?

[7:02] Tran[4k]: oh, now Q10 works

[7:02] Traveller[13k]: I'd be happy to write the interface

[7:02] Tran[4k]: crazy

[7:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: That hand-in-arm of Lee Sedol

[7:02] Pempu[2d]: AerialSnack: yeah bugs in demo games are rampant :/ not enough love given.

[7:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: he is doubleplusunhappy

[7:02] Quenz[22k]: Why would you think that Phil? I'm glad you're wrong, Demis said they'd release it eventually. Not yet though

[7:03] phil.bordelon[25k]: Quenz: I hope they will, to be sure. I'm happy to be wrong on that :)

[7:03] Quenz[22k]: Sooner than years

[7:03] pagia[2d]: M5 I think alphago will tenuki...

Move 0 + 116

[7:03] samuel_god[9k]: Ladder breaker guys

[7:03] samuel_god[9k]: White saw it tho

[7:03] Quenz[22k]: It would be cool if AlphaGo had a proper account on this site :D

[7:04] Tran[4k]: yep, white's answer was perfect ...

[7:04] thouis[6k]: I'm going to try to train up a policy network from KGS data, put it up as a bot

[7:04] Traveller[13k]: I'd like to see that.

[7:04] Quenz[22k]: Good luck thouis

[7:04] Pempu[2d]: [8:30] Pempu [2d]: Variation: Black can try to invade bottom...

[7:04] badpunman[2d]: will it learn to enforce english game room rules?

[7:04] Traveller[13k]: Commentary suggests that LSD is testing AG right now

[7:04] thouis[6k]: I just need to add some code for ladders, and get the data

[7:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: TensorFlow is on Github and everything :)

[7:05] Quenz[22k]: What

[7:05] Quenz[22k]: What's LSD?

[7:05] Quenz[22k]: Oh right Lee

[7:05] thouis[6k]: badpunman: no, but I'm training a network to detect sandbaggers :)

[7:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: Lee Sedol

[7:05] ajmorrissey[23k]: Lee SEdol

[7:05] thouis[6k]: neon >> tensorflow.

[7:05] thouis[6k]: (at least right now)

Move 0 + 125

[7:05] Tran[4k]: Variation: yolo?

Move 0 + 116

[7:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: I'm biased, but I suspect that won't hold out for long

[7:06] Quenz[22k]: What's neon?

[7:06] AerialSnack[15k]: Hmm... I need to go to bed, guess I'll prepare for bed

[7:06] thouis[6k]: very fast GPU-based network training library

[7:06] phil.bordelon[25k]: A different RNN software suite

[7:06] LuiDogg[8k]: @Tran black cant survive

[7:06] thouis[6k]: https://github.com/NervanaSystems/neon

Move 0 + 117

[7:06] phil.bordelon[25k]: 40-minute time differential with Lee Sedol under 7m... ouch

[7:07] Quenz[22k]: Similar to last game

[7:08] phil.bordelon[25k]: yeah, but the board feels way less settled than last game

Move 0 + 118

[7:08] phil.bordelon[25k]: to my noobness

Move 0 + 119

[7:08] LuiDogg[8k]: P2

Move 0 + 122

[7:08] pagia[2d]: Variation: A

Move 0 + 123

[7:08] Tran[4k]: Variation: dead?

Move 0 + 119

[7:09] Tran[4k]: oh

Move 0 + 126

[7:09] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: @Tran u are wrong black dead not white

Move 0 + 119

[7:10] Tran[4k]: LuiDogg: I meant the group at the right, black give up stones outside

[7:10] AerialSnack[15k]: the only option is to capture at S9, right?

Move 0 + 121

[7:10] thouis[6k]: tenuki

[7:10] thouis[6k]: always tenuki. preferrably to a shoulder hit

[7:10] AerialSnack[15k]: bahaha

[7:11] Shenzao[15k]: A1 looks like the only move.

Move 0 + 122

[7:11] Panada[15k]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QokRfXmRPi0

Move 0 + 123

[7:11] starzig42[2d]: redmond explain : now that black is settled on the right, he can poke at p2

[7:12] kitten1[6k]: ah, an entryway onto white's bottom

[7:12] Pempu[2d]: White will just ignore C2

[7:12] pagia[2d]: @Shenzao:I prefer play move at AG's sower switch XD

Move 0 + 122

[7:12] phil.bordelon[25k]: what the eff is that, Panada

Move 0 + 123

[7:13] pagia[2d]: @Shenzao:I prefer play move at AG's *power switch XD

[7:13] Panada[15k]: just the most awesomest series :3

Move 0 + 122

[7:13] phil.bordelon[25k]: Stream issue, Shenzao?

Move 0 + 123

[7:13] kennyjay[9k]: testing AG ability to handle a Ko

[7:13] Shenzao[15k]: Should be fine. Have I missed something?

Move 0 + 122

[7:13] phil.bordelon[25k]: C2?

Move 0 + 124

[7:14] trohde[9k]: C2 has been placed

Move 0 + 122

[7:14] phil.bordelon[25k]: oh, herp derp

[7:14] phil.bordelon[25k]: i didn't progress in history for some reason

Move 0 + 124

[7:14] samuel_god[9k]: I feel like in all our running jokes about "well, we could always just kill the computer," there's a deep underlying hostility and fear. Possibly justified, but still. Like playing a human player and saying "well, you could always just kill him."

[7:14] tyraindreams[22k]: thats my secret strategy

[7:14] tyraindreams[22k]: when losing just kill the other player...

[7:14] thouis[6k]: that's my overt strategy

[7:15] thouis[6k]: I learned it from Star Wars

[7:15] phil.bordelon[25k]: Raiders of the Lost Ark

[7:15] thouis[6k] puts on wookie suit

[7:15] ajmorrissey[23k]: When in doubt, shoot first

[7:15] phil.bordelon[25k]: "Looks fancy." -shoots-

[7:15] dashamstyr[13k]: Ikind of want LSD to just cry

[7:15] kitten1[6k]: yeah, the director will always change it after the fact

[7:15] tyraindreams[22k]: i work in IT so i want the computer to win :/

[7:15] ajmorrissey[23k]: ^

[7:15] Enkidum[16k]: I put on my robe and wizard hat...

[7:15] Traveller[13k]: Again?

[7:16] dashamstyr[13k]: Who keeps saying that?!

[7:16] kitten1[6k]: well, many people do feel like crying about Go being mastered by a program

[7:16] phil.bordelon[25k]: It was inevitable.

[7:16] Traveller[13k]: That was written by humans

[7:16] ajmorrissey[23k]: Humans will get better as computers get better, but inevitable humans will reach their limit

[7:16] lum0s[13k]: chess was cracked long ago and it is still competitive

[7:17] starzig42[2d]: maybe we should had in the rules to take in account energy expense , now ?

[7:17] badpunman[2d]: all this means is that tournament players will be taking more frequent toilet breaks

[7:17] trohde[9k]: “Life will find a way.” (from memory)

[7:17] tyraindreams[22k]: at least with chess the human won one

[7:17] ajmorrissey[23k]: Just makes it so 2 games of go will exist, human vs human and computer vs computer

[7:17] AerialSnack[15k]: Bahaha, beautiful badpunman

Move 0 + 125

[7:18] LuiDogg[8k]: well

[7:18] LuiDogg[8k]: if black can survive there, LSD would win

[7:18] merga[7k]: FIGHT

[7:18] arczyx[8k]: the only way to win

[7:18] phil.bordelon[25k]: is not to play?

[7:18] AerialSnack[15k]: no way it's living

[7:18] starzig42[2d]: now that 's bold :)

[7:18] arczyx[8k]: I mean he's losing anyway

[7:18] AerialSnack[15k]: L3?

[7:18] arczyx[8k]: might as well try

[7:18] Picayune[13k]: I'm excited and not expecting LSD to win.

[7:18] kanzenryu[16k]: Invasion on Omaha Beach

[7:18] lum0s[13k]: lee getting bold

[7:18] pagia[2d]: H2

[7:19] SamuelKu[5k]: finally, lee tries inside this area

[7:19] AerialSnack[15k]: I feel like H2 gives too much room for eye space?

[7:19] NewNoob[4k]: i predict that alpha will go somewhere else

[7:19] AerialSnack[15k]: but AG does love shoulder its

[7:19] AerialSnack[15k]: hits*

[7:19] kitten1[6k]: black can poke at P2 now, so he has the opportunity to fight

[7:19] starzig42[2d]: maybe it was his plan all along : make whiteùs moto so big he can live inside :p

[7:19] jsl[11k]: that's not Omaha Beach, that's Custer's Last Stand

[7:19] AerialSnack[15k]: bahaha

Move 0 + 126

[7:19] Baran[3k]: Man waking up to this slaughter is no fun

[7:19] starzig42[2d]: sorry, moyo

[7:19] AerialSnack[15k]: I was right :D

[7:19] lum0s[13k]: alpha got too much advantage in that moyo tho

[7:20] AerialSnack[15k]: Yo, is there a mod here? I should be 5dan

[7:20] badpunman[2d]: well, white handled left side so well

[7:20] AerialSnack[15k]: xD

[7:20] Seadragon91[25k]: I wait for the day, where facebook's ai play's vs AlphaGo :)

[7:20] vlin[3d]: It's time Lee resigns, keeping playing is not like Pro.

[7:20] AerialSnack[15k]: Didn't facebook's stop development?

[7:20] badpunman[2d]: black also missed getting h17 sente, so white pretty much lived after he took it for himself

[7:20] AerialSnack[15k]: vlin, thought he's testing the bot now

Move 0 + 131

[7:20] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: how white move?

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[7:21] samuel_god[9k]: vlin, that's just because this is a teaching game now

[7:21] phil.bordelon[25k]: I don't think the AlphaGo team minds him playing further and poking the system

[7:21] lum0s[13k]: this still blows my mind, how AI advanced this quickly

[7:21] ajmorrissey[23k]: Seadragon, where did you hear facebook stopped development?

[7:21] LuiDogg[8k]: overtime hype

[7:21] Shenzao[15k]: Byo-yomi has begun.

Move 0 + 127

[7:21] LuiDogg[8k]: M3

[7:21] tekoyaki[25k]: FB go bot is a one man development team

[7:21] AerialSnack[15k]: ^

[7:22] Quenz[22k]: lol

[7:22] lum0s[13k]: make my dreams come true, lee

Move 0 + 128

[7:22] LuiDogg[8k]: L4 no chance

Move 0 + 127

[7:22] Baran[3k]: lol resignation inc when white plays G4

[7:23] phil.bordelon[25k]: so tired... being on the east coast has made me so sleep deprived this week

[7:23] phil.bordelon[25k]: totally worth it, mind you, but zomg

Move 0 + 128

[7:23] lum0s[13k]: this $*!% is way more epic than deep blue

[7:23] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, I almost failed two classes because of these games

[7:24] thouis[6k]: deep blue was pretty epic

[7:24] Fumbar[14k]: haha AerialSnack

[7:24] phil.bordelon[25k]: the more you know about it, the more amazing it is compared to Deep Blue

[7:24] samuel_god[9k]: What does this move do, dans?

[7:24] Shenzao[15k]: I ignored the first two to avoid that problem, Aerial.

Move 0 + 129

[7:24] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh, Fumbar, how nice of you to join us

[7:25] thouis[6k]: is there anything here for B?

[7:25] AerialSnack[15k]: no

[7:25] AerialSnack[15k]: no way

[7:25] lum0s[13k]: lee is desperate

[7:25] kingkimchi[3d]: alpha wouldnt make a mistake in these situations

[7:25] starzig42[2d]: live or dig a hole out

[7:25] Fumbar[14k]: thank you AerialSnack, i had to join late because of work

Move 0 + 130

[7:26] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh, that's a shame

[7:26] lum0s[13k]: such a strong player making desperation moves. it's unreal.

[7:26] samuel_god[9k]: He's not desperate. Just trying to probe it and learn.

[7:26] AerialSnack[15k]: That's what he wants us to think

[7:26] spatula[7k]: lee has some experimental spirit

[7:26] AerialSnack[15k]: Do you normally work late fumbar?

[7:26] samuel_god[9k]: You don't get to be lee without having a drive to learn.

[7:26] AerialSnack[15k]: I love learning :D

[7:27] Shenzao[15k]: 1st byo yomi gone.

[7:27] AerialSnack[15k]: Sucks that I'm terrible at go

[7:27] Quenz[22k]: I really don't think his main priority is using this opportunity as a rare learning opportunity. Surely he knows that he'll be able to play AG again sooner or later

[7:27] AerialSnack[15k]: Eh, but that's years away Quenz

[7:27] lum0s[13k]: i'm sure he'd have the opportunity to learn outside of a tourney setting

[7:27] AerialSnack[15k]: And it might not be as strong

[7:27] samuel_god[9k]: Not necesarily. They dissasembled deep mind afterwards.

[7:27] Quenz[22k]: Why would that be years away???

[7:27] phil.bordelon[25k]: They're not disassembling AlphaGo after this.

[7:27] Baran[3k]: This is so sad

[7:27] Quenz[22k]: There's no way they would take that long

[7:27] phil.bordelon[25k]: Don't worry :P

[7:27] Shenzao[15k]: 2nd Byo-yomi gone. Entered final Byo-yomi.

[7:27] AnneOgborn[17k]: and he's got two more games, maybe he can learn something useful for them

[7:27] samuel_god[9k]: He also might want to learn so as to maybe win one of the next two games.

[7:27] AerialSnack[15k]: Because it's going to be a while before they make it widely available

[7:27] ajmorrissey[23k]: Alphago isn't running on specialized hardware

[7:28] Donut[10k]: GGG

[7:28] Quenz[22k]: Why would it be so long?

[7:28] vlin[3d]: First two games Lee had chances but failed to grasp them. But this one looks like Master AlphaGo is teaching Lee how to play Go. Sad...

[7:28] AerialSnack[15k]: It's not specialised hardware, but it's a LOT of hardware

[7:28] kanzenryu[16k]: AplhaGo is a bunch of servers in the google cloud. It won't be disassembled. They could delete the software.

[7:28] thouis[6k]: time trouble

[7:28] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: Lee is running out of overtime

[7:28] phil.bordelon[25k]: It can run on a single machine too

[7:28] Quenz[22k]: I think it will probably be in a few months

[7:28] phil.bordelon[25k]: and that one wins ~30% of the time

[7:28] phil.bordelon[25k]: per the paper

[7:28] Baran[3k]: This one looked like Lee Sedol trying to hard to fight when it wasnt necessary

[7:28] Fumbar[14k]: AerialSnack: i work late on weekends to supplement my income

[7:28] AerialSnack[15k]: I think it will be 3 years Quenz

Move 0 + 131

[7:28] AerialSnack[15k]: Ah, I understand Fumbar

[7:28] AerialSnack[15k]: I was the same way when I had a job

[7:29] lum0s[13k]: i doubt the computing power of alpha could run on a single machine, could it?

[7:29] AerialSnack[15k]: Worked til 3am

[7:29] AerialSnack[15k]: No way lum0s

[7:29] AerialSnack[15k]: Though it was still be 3dan

[7:29] spatula[7k]: what's the incentive for google releasing it to public?

[7:29] phil.bordelon[25k]: It really can and does. Read the paper :)

[7:29] ajmorrissey[23k]: Phil, I read this one was using ~1900 cpus and 300+gpus, not sure if that's true

[7:29] AerialSnack[15k]: There isn't any spatula, other than prestige

[7:29] Quenz[22k]: It took roughly two years to get AG to this stage, I don't think it will take longer just to release it to the public, that would be ridiculous

[7:29] phil.bordelon[25k]: I can't give exact numbers

[7:29] AerialSnack[15k]: but that's enough for them

[7:29] phil.bordelon[25k]: but the computationally intensive part is the RNN training

[7:29] thouis[6k]: phil: lots of GPUs, though

[7:29] phil.bordelon[25k]: not the running of the taught NN

[7:29] AerialSnack[15k]: Quenz, the problem is, is that they have to optimize it. Optimizing is pretty difficult.

[7:29] ajmorrissey[23k]: makes sense

[7:29] phil.bordelon[25k]: which can totally fit on a single high-end machine

[7:29] Quenz[22k]: Because it's nice to release this stuff, spatula. Demis said they would release it, so it's more or less confirmed

[7:30] ajmorrissey[23k]: I was under the assumption that was for this match though

[7:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: oh, it is

[7:30] Quenz[22k]: I believe he said they'd be releasing the code

[7:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: because why would you use the dumber one :P

[7:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: just saying that, for other people

[7:30] Fumbar[14k]: it won't need to optimized in ten years though

[7:30] ajmorrissey[23k]: fair enough :)

[7:30] Quenz[22k]: And some kind of a client

[7:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: you don't need a Google data center :P

[7:30] pagia[2d]: I guess Lee breaks the eye of white dragon,so that alphago must answer the ko at lower left

[7:30] AerialSnack[15k]: Well, I don't know, maybe a bit Fumbar

[7:30] ajmorrissey[23k]: ay yeah

[7:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: this is a tech that will be phone-sized in 5 years

[7:30] Baran[3k]: so this is over eh

Move 0 + 132

[7:30] ajmorrissey[23k]: easily

[7:30] phil.bordelon[25k]: and, if you do it cloud-y, could be much sooner

[7:31] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, it's over. I'm just waiting for final board position so I can take a picture of it

[7:31] Quenz[22k]: I think Demis would have said that it would take a long time if that was the case. It sounds like it will be released soon-ish

[7:31] kanzenryu[16k]: Just the instant play of the neural network with no search is about 3 dan

[7:31] Quenz[22k]: I'll find the video where he says it after the game

[7:31] ajmorrissey[23k]: depending on how strong AG is currently, which is hard to tell, it may already be enough on a single machine

[7:31] Fumbar[14k]: AerialSnack: of course you'd always ilke more optimization but we don't need to cut it down a ton if we get great strides in computational power

[7:31] AerialSnack[15k]: Yes, but if it is released, it wont be as strong as it is now

Move 0 + 133

[7:31] phil.bordelon[25k]: "enough" for what? To beat all but the highest level professionals? Definitely.

[7:32] ajmorrissey[23k]: yes

[7:32] Baran[3k]: Will Lee actually see the KO tho he must right?? Holy $*!% this is amazing

[7:32] ajmorrissey[23k]: I wouldn't say definitely just yet

[7:32] lum0s[13k]: $*!%, even lee talking all the pregame smack and getting smashed like this. who expected this?

[7:32] Tran[4k]: The cut at F6 now works

[7:32] ajmorrissey[23k]: it's unknown how strong AG really is (from what i understand)

[7:32] phil.bordelon[25k]: As of the time of the paper, the distributed version still lost against the single-machine one 30% of the time

[7:32] phil.bordelon[25k]: that strongly implies (to me) that it's still *really* good single-machine

[7:32] ajmorrissey[23k]: WSas that the nature paper?

[7:32] kanzenryu[16k]: If something interesting is happening could you please spell it out for us noobs

[7:32] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yes.

[7:33] ajmorrissey[23k]: I saw it earlier today, but haven't read it yet

[7:33] AerialSnack[15k]: I doubt anything will happen

[7:33] Baran[3k]: kanzenryu I'm just going from AGA stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPKR7HzM_s

[7:33] phil.bordelon[25k]: It's really good.

[7:33] ajmorrissey[23k]: and yeah, that's pretty $*!% impressive

[7:33] kitten1[6k]: it looks like black is trying to set up a ko

[7:33] AnneOgborn[17k]: what happened pregame?

[7:33] samuel_god[9k]: There's a very compllicated set of moves that could give lee a chance

[7:33] samuel_god[9k]: maybe

Move 0 + 134

[7:33] samuel_god[9k]: Possibly

[7:33] AerialSnack[15k]: You mean F6 and ko involved?

[7:33] AerialSnack[15k]: No, that's dead

[7:33] samuel_god[9k]: https://www.youtube.com/c/usgoweb/live

[7:33] samuel_god[9k]: Go back a little bit

[7:33] samuel_god[9k]: They discuss it

[7:33] Tran[4k]: Lee on the last byo-yomi

[7:33] lum0s[13k]: lee was saying before these games started that he thought AlphaGo had no chance, but underestimated its potential

[7:34] Baran[3k]: but will lee see this ko in byo-yomi

[7:34] pbgarden[24k]: Well, moves that would give him a chance until AlphaGo shuts them down. It's proven pretty brutal so far.

[7:34] merastius[25k]: Sorry for the noob question, what happens if Lee runs out of time?

Move 0 + 135

[7:34] AerialSnack[15k]: He loses

[7:34] thouis[6k]: game over

[7:34] Baran[3k]: he loses merastius

[7:34] ajmorrissey[23k]: He loses

[7:34] merastius[25k]: Ouch

[7:34] phil.bordelon[25k]: that last second $*!% :p

[7:34] phil.bordelon[25k]: I get it, it gives him more time to think

[7:34] Tran[4k]: H5 and now K4 and F6 miai?

[7:34] ajmorrissey[23k]: AG would do it too i bet :)

[7:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: but it's stressful AF for me to watch

[7:35] AerialSnack[15k]: H5 would definitely kill the group

[7:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: actually, AG is really consistent in overtime

[7:35] AerialSnack[15k]: Wait

[7:35] AerialSnack[15k]: L2

[7:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: Aja put a stone at the ~25sec remaining mark basically every time

[7:35] AerialSnack[15k]: If lee played L2, it can live I think

[7:35] lum0s[13k]: lee under pressure now, too

[7:35] ajmorrissey[23k]: Have any of the games put AG into overtime? DIdn't watch the first 2 really

[7:35] Tran[4k]: lol, on AGA stream playing my variation

[7:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: Yup, second game indeed

[7:35] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: Commentators say no real eyes for black

[7:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: OT for both

[7:35] pbgarden[24k]: The second went into OT

[7:35] ajmorrissey[23k]: ah

Move 0 + 145

[7:35] Baran[3k]: Variation: KO inc

Move 0 + 135

[7:35] DemDandelions[17k]: hey guys, just logged in, it look like lee has lost, how bad was it ?

[7:35] Quenz[22k]: AG hasn't gone into overtime yet

[7:35] phil.bordelon[25k]: Only like 9 plays for AlphaGo in OT, though.

[7:36] Quenz[22k]: Lee did last match though

[7:36] Fumbar[14k]: not over yet DemDandelions

Move 0 + 136

[7:36] AerialSnack[15k]: It was pretty bad DemDandelions

[7:36] pbgarden[24k]: AG seems to change up a bit in OT, consistently taking about 28 seconds

[7:36] phil.bordelon[25k]: AG totally went into byo-yomi last game, Quenz

[7:36] Fumbar[14k]: but lee is behind

[7:36] Quenz[22k]: If I recall correctly...

[7:36] phil.bordelon[25k]: and, yeah

[7:36] DemDandelions[17k]: ok thanks :)

[7:36] Quenz[22k]: Oh wait no AG did go into overtime but never used up any of them

[7:36] spatula[7k]: they're drawing a dog on the board in the chinese commentary...

[7:36] AerialSnack[15k]: LOL

[7:36] phil.bordelon[25k]: No, like I said, it was basically 30s + Aja's entering and placing time

[7:36] ajmorrissey[23k]: I wonder if AG purposefully doesn't take the full to give the human less time to think

[7:36] Fumbar[14k]: hahahah spatula

[7:36] pagia[2d]: So far alphago do not answer any ko,I guess Lee just want to try

[7:36] phil.bordelon[25k]: Nah

[7:37] phil.bordelon[25k]: I'm 95% certain it's just to make sure that Aja can fix a fumble, aj

Move 0 + 137

[7:37] phil.bordelon[25k]: that's how I'd program it

[7:37] AerialSnack[15k]: I can't see Lee pulling this off

[7:37] lum0s[13k]: alpha is weird about KOs?

[7:37] AerialSnack[15k]: his moves are obvious

[7:37] pbgarden[24k]: AJ, AG doesn't take psychology into account

[7:37] ajmorrissey[23k]: 30 seconds though? (I don't know much about go)

[7:37] phil.bordelon[25k]: 30 seconds + the 60 that Lee Sedol takes

[7:37] phil.bordelon[25k]: don't forget that

[7:37] AlmostMatt[11k]: You get 1 minute per move when you run out of the main time

[7:37] ajmorrissey[23k]: Right

[7:38] AerialSnack[15k]: H6?

[7:38] phil.bordelon[25k]: and it's in the endgame, where your valid play list is much smaller

[7:38] ajmorrissey[23k]: But, if AG was able to make the turn in 1 second, it only gives LSD 61 seconds instead of ~120

[7:38] ajmorrissey[23k]: That said, it probably doesn't bother with that kind of stuff

[7:38] AerialSnack[15k]: Doesn't need to

[7:38] pbgarden[24k]: AG actually needs time to "think" as well

[7:38] AerialSnack[15k]: It's thinking process is more efficient

[7:38] jsl[11k]: AG must play J6 now right?

[7:38] ajmorrissey[23k]: I was exaggerating.

Move 0 + 138

[7:38] AerialSnack[15k]: It can play H6 as well

[7:39] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh

[7:39] phil.bordelon[25k]: also, did any of you watch the 15-minute long recap of game 1? I'm not any good at go, so Redmond's ability to recall the entire game by heart blew my mind

[7:39] lum0s[13k]: yes and the fact they said Alpha isnt just referencing databases like Chess AI

[7:39] AerialSnack[15k]: ....

[7:39] AerialSnack[15k]: Memorising games is easy for pros

[7:39] Tran[4k]: G3 was sharp...

[7:39] AerialSnack[15k]: Especially important ones

[7:39] AerialSnack[15k]: Can black still J6?

[7:39] phil.bordelon[25k]: yeah, I know it's a thing

[7:39] phil.bordelon[25k]: I just don't have that thing :)

[7:39] phil.bordelon[25k]: and it was awesome to see it

[7:39] samuel_god[9k]: The AGA stream has so many commentators who know nothing about Go, and SOO many people disrespecting the 9P commentator because she's a woman. It's rediculous.

[7:39] Baran[3k]: still KO fight says Hyeyeon

Move 0 + 139

[7:40] Tran[4k]: isnt H3 overplay??

[7:40] AerialSnack[15k]: Nah

[7:40] AerialSnack[15k]: J3 and down would die without it

[7:40] SamuelKu[5k]: H6 for white?

[7:40] AerialSnack[15k]: Need those for eye space

[7:40] AerialSnack[15k]: I'm feeling the H6

[7:40] Quenz[22k]: You mean people in comments samuel_god, or actual commentators there?

[7:40] Phelan[10k]: people in comments

[7:40] samuel_god[9k]: People in comments

[7:40] phil.bordelon[25k]: moronic MRAs on the internet? I AM SHOCKED

[7:40] Phelan[10k]: mods are doing good, though :)

[7:40] phil.bordelon[25k]: (not actually shocked)

[7:40] AerialSnack[15k]: H6 blocks it and protects at the same time

[7:41] Tran[4k]: Actually J6 was enough. getting sente and go back to top territory

[7:41] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: J1

[7:41] spatula[7k]: chinese pros are laughing right now lol

[7:41] kitten1[6k]: eww... I like the go community because it lets me get away from that $*!%. DX

[7:41] lum0s[13k]: Go players should have more respect, though, with this occasion

[7:41] thouis[6k]: whoever wrote the ko-handling logic in AG is sweating right now

[7:41] Baran[3k]: Aw wish he had just gone for the KO Hyeyeon showed instead of further asking AlphaGO if he can read the correct way out / or play the correct way

[7:41] AerialSnack[15k]: He said people that know nothing about go lum0s

[7:41] samuel_god[9k]: The go players seem to be fine

[7:41] phil.bordelon[25k]: thouis: that person doesn't exist

[7:41] phil.bordelon[25k]: well, AlphaGo itself, and it doesn't sweat

[7:41] phil.bordelon[25k]: :P

[7:41] Quenz[22k]: I wonder if Ke Jie will vs AlphaGo anytime soon

[7:41] mlindner[25k]: spatula link?

[7:41] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: Where can I see the Chinese pros? They sound like fun

[7:42] samuel_god[9k]: It's the people who have never played the game, I think, who keep asking things like "why does the qt korean keep covering her mouth?" and talking $*!% about her accent\

[7:42] spatula[7k]: http://live.sina.com.cn/zt/app_zt/l/v/tech/alphago/?page=2

[7:42] Baran[3k]: RIP

[7:42] Baran[3k]: GG

[7:42] kanzenryu[16k]: Nobody wrote an ko handling logic

Move 0 + 140

[7:42] Tran[4k]: J6 RIP

[7:42] thouis[6k]: phil: it has "is this a legal move" hand-coded

[7:42] Tran[4k]: H3 overplay

[7:42] phil.bordelon[25k]: well, sure

[7:42] AerialSnack[15k]: Can't G6 be dangerous for white?

[7:42] phil.bordelon[25k]: but it's played ~millions of games against itself

Move 0 + 141

[7:42] phil.bordelon[25k]: pretty sure they made sure the ko bits are fine ;p

[7:42] Tran[4k]: not enough liberties

[7:43] AerialSnack[15k]: since ko is a normal issue for bots, I'm sure they made sure it's fine, just like the avalanche issue

[7:43] lum0s[13k]: haven't they said AG avoids ko's?

[7:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: no, people have that misconception

[7:43] vlin[3d]: Lee should make Ko and see how AlphaGo handles it.

[7:43] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: Can someone update?

[7:43] phil.bordelon[25k]: AG has generally just calculated that it got more value elsewhere

[7:43] AerialSnack[15k]: Hasn't lee been trying to make ko vlin?

[7:44] AerialSnack[15k]: update what The Average Wikipedian ?

[7:44] Traveller[13k]: Comment made that Aja mentioned that AlphaGo doesn't have a problem with ko in a Chinese interview

Move 0 + 142

[7:44] AerialSnack[15k]: I don't get F6

[7:44] AerialSnack[15k]: seems too early

[7:44] lum0s[13k]: interesting, i'd like to see AG handle ko's directly

[7:44] Tran[4k]: No, it's right time for R6

[7:45] kitten1[6k]: a double ko fight on the bottom?

[7:45] AerialSnack[15k]: I don't know about a double ko fight

[7:45] Tran[4k]: but H3... omg, another move that decides the game?

[7:45] AerialSnack[15k]: the ko on the left looks unimportant

[7:45] Traveller[13k]: There are times that avoiding the fight is the best strategy

Move 0 + 143

[7:45] kanzenryu[16k]: Like global thermonuclear war

[7:45] Traveller[13k]: ^

[7:45] AerialSnack[15k]: It's over

Move 0 + 144

[7:45] vlin[3d]: C3 is too small a Ko

[7:45] phil.bordelon[25k]: I suspect that AG just generally finds greater value elsewhere

[7:45] kanzenryu[16k]: Fast response from AlphaGo

[7:46] Shenzao[15k]: Very.

Move 0 + 158

[7:46] LuiDogg[8k]: lose

Move 0 + 144

[7:46] AerialSnack[15k]: Resignation now?

Move 0 + 145

[7:46] ajmorrissey[23k]: He's really cutting it close

[7:47] kanzenryu[16k]: He's going to connect to C2 ;-)

[7:47] AerialSnack[15k]: There's no way that's connecting

[7:47] phil.bordelon[25k]: he loves those last-second (literally) plays

[7:47] AerialSnack[15k]: F1 stops it

[7:47] Traveller[13k]: Trying for the ko

[7:47] lum0s[13k]: one more opporunity for human intellect to rise above

[7:47] kanzenryu[16k]: Formula One has nothing to do with it

[7:47] Baran[3k]: Its over guys no chance for Lee anymore its over this game 3-0

[7:47] Tran[4k]: double KO?

[7:47] jvolkman[24k]: I keep waiting for Lee to fumble the stone with 2 seconds left

Move 0 + 149

[7:47] AerialSnack[15k]: You can't ko this?

[7:47] AerialSnack[15k]: Variation: No Ko?

Move 0 + 145

[7:47] kanzenryu[16k]: Lee Sedol No Ko

[7:48] kanzenryu[16k]: The new comic book

[7:48] AerialSnack[15k]: lol

[7:48] AerialSnack[15k]: Is LSD shaking still?

Move 0 + 146

[7:48] phil.bordelon[25k]: Nice call, Aerial

Move 0 + 147

[7:48] pagia[2d]: KO!!!!

[7:48] lum0s[13k]: stare into the void, and AlphaGo stares back

[7:48] AerialSnack[15k]: The first move is the obvious one

[7:48] AerialSnack[15k]: oh god

[7:48] AerialSnack[15k]: THAT ko

[7:48] kitten1[6k]: kekeke

[7:49] Baran[3k]: whites fine

Move 0 + 153

[7:49] LuiDogg[8k]: ko

Move 0 + 147

[7:49] vlin[3d]: Make two Kos would be exciting.

Move 0 + 148

[7:49] AerialSnack[15k]: Wait

[7:49] AerialSnack[15k]: that ko can't even do anything for black

Move 0 + 153

[7:49] LuiDogg[8k]: LSD can do this

Move 0 + 147

[7:49] Shenzao[15k]: Apparently it's a liberty buying tactic of some kind.

[7:50] lum0s[13k]: i want to believe

[7:50] Shenzao[15k]: The threats skew the fight, or something.

[7:50] phil.bordelon[25k]: or timesuji? :P

[7:50] kitten1[6k]: that's exactly what it is

[7:50] vlin[3d]: just to see how the value network works.

[7:50] Phelan[10k]: the comment thread on aga is getting worthless :/

[7:50] spatula[7k]: chinese pro are saying this is kintergarden level test for alphago....

[7:50] AerialSnack[15k]: It's been worthless

[7:50] AerialSnack[15k]: I believe it spatula

Move 0 + 148

[7:50] LuiDogg[8k]: what???

[7:50] Phelan[10k]: go players probably stopping chatting, and only the new viewers posting

[7:50] kitten1[6k]: even white ain't impressed. XD

[7:50] lum0s[13k]: passive agressive insult towards korea

[7:50] NewNoob[4k]: hahahahaha

[7:51] Quenz[22k]: They're just being cocky

[7:51] dneg[3k]: wow tenuki

[7:51] dneg[3k]: wowowow

[7:51] LuiDogg[8k]: J18

Move 0 + 131

[7:51] Baran[3k]: LOL white so rude

Move 0 + 148

[7:51] LuiDogg[8k]: lmao

[7:51] kitten1[6k]: ke jie will have his chance, I'm sure

[7:51] phil.bordelon[25k]: AlphaGo DGAF

[7:51] AerialSnack[15k]: I thought it passed at first

[7:51] Quenz[22k]: Lee is one of the best players in the world

[7:51] Tran[4k]: lol

[7:51] AerialSnack[15k]: I was about to die of laughter

[7:51] Baran[3k]: White asking black to resign ahahahaha

[7:51] dneg[3k]: that move is cheek reddening

[7:51] AerialSnack[15k]: time for nuclear tesuji

Move 0 + 149

[7:51] AerialSnack[15k]: M1?

[7:51] lum0s[13k]: oh man.

[7:52] AerialSnack[15k]: M2?

[7:52] hasan.aljudy[8k]: wow alpha go tenuki!!!!

[7:52] AerialSnack[15k]: It has to play now

[7:52] AerialSnack[15k]: That could give two eyes

[7:52] kitten1[6k]: though honestly, maybe a double ko there will make that fight feasible

[7:52] Tran[4k]: timesuji :(

[7:52] lum0s[13k]: is this real life? lee sedol?

[7:52] phil.bordelon[25k]: Poor Redmond not paying enough attention :P

[7:52] LuiDogg[8k]: what white is doing J18? can anyone figure out

[7:52] thouis[6k]: yeah, they lost the move

[7:52] thouis[6k]: AG really doensn't like kos

[7:53] Baran[3k]: LuiDogg: it is saying it doesnt need to play on the bottom because black is dead

[7:53] AerialSnack[15k]: LuiDogg, insulting Lee

[7:53] kitten1[6k]: J18 is an endgame-esque developing move.

[7:53] hasan.aljudy[8k]: it's the simplifying strategy

Move 0 + 150

[7:53] dneg[3k]: w playing top is saying b is deadz already

[7:53] kitten1[6k]: not even the best tenuki move, I think. XD

[7:53] Traveller[13k]: Only 1 eye

[7:53] pagia[2d]: kill c3 next step?

[7:53] LuiDogg[8k]: Baran lmao

Move 0 + 151

[7:54] Shenzao[15k]: So it begins.

[7:54] phil.bordelon[25k]: Remember: it's not about sexiest, it's about most win-affirming

[7:54] Tran[4k]: so much KOS

[7:54] lum0s[13k]: ;_;

[7:54] pagia[2d]: Oh,just as I guess

[7:54] kitten1[6k]: he wanted the two kos for extra liberties

[7:54] LuiDogg[8k]: this game is so excited

[7:54] AerialSnack[15k]: E2?

[7:54] myrcutio[6k]: are triple ko's allowed in chinese rules?

[7:54] kitten1[6k]: though I don't think it's enough

[7:54] LuiDogg[8k]: double ko

Move 0 + 149

[7:54] vlin[3d]: wow J18, does AG really see through to the end?

Move 0 + 151

[7:54] AerialSnack[15k]: pretty sure they are

[7:54] VítorOliveira[16k]: Variation: Thanks dude

[7:54] lum0s[13k]: my heart is breaking

[7:54] bd_[10k]: chinese rules are superko I think

[7:54] pagia[2d]: alphago must answer the ko

[7:54] SamuelKu[5k]: WOW Lee still fights this part

[7:54] hasan.aljudy[8k]: white will tenuki and take J15

[7:54] bd_[10k]: so no triple ko draw

[7:54] myrcutio[6k]: maybe that's LSD's strategy, let the game never end

[7:55] kitten1[6k]: Triple ko usually just makes the area it's in seki, right?

[7:55] elsantodel90[6k]: "Chinese rules", as "rules used in china", void games with long repetition like triple Ko.

[7:55] SamuelKu[5k]: white skips one hand to J18

[7:55] elsantodel90[6k]: But online judges "chinese rules" implement superko.

[7:55] elsantodel90[6k]: Even though it is not really used in china.

Move 0 + 152

[7:55] LuiDogg[8k]: time to witness LSD ko AI

[7:55] AerialSnack[15k]: BAHAHAHA

[7:55] elsantodel90[6k]: Except for "Capture 2 - recapture 1"

[7:55] elsantodel90[6k]: senseis: ChineseSuperko

[7:56] SamuelKu[5k]: F4 next right

[7:56] Tran[4k]: :(

[7:56] lum0s[13k]: lee trying to ko-nfuse alhpago. :P

[7:56] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: Lee might win bottom left with luck

[7:56] elsantodel90[6k]: Maybe superko is theoretically used in these games though, I don't know.

[7:56] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: lots of luck

[7:56] AerialSnack[15k]: F4 does leed to some poins

Move 0 + 149

[7:56] vlin[3d]: Go go Lee!!

Move 0 + 153

[7:56] AerialSnack[15k]: Wait, actually

[7:56] AerialSnack[15k]: Nooo

[7:57] AerialSnack[15k]: f4 could have wont the game, right?

[7:57] pagia[2d]: alphago didn't make kozai.....it seems just play approach move

[7:57] Enkidum[16k]: No because of the ko

Move 0 + 156

[7:57] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: no because the ko

Move 0 + 153

[7:57] lum0s[13k]: i really wanna see how AG handles ko threats...

Move 0 + 154

[7:58] SamuelKu[5k]: Why he chose D4 to instead of F4 for safe that groups?

[7:58] hasan.aljudy[8k]: finally alphago plays the ko!!!!!

Move 0 + 153

[7:58] Fumbar[14k]: i too wonder that SamuelKu

Move 0 + 154

[7:58] kitten1[6k]: F4 next?

[7:58] jsl[11k]: I think J18 was to protect against the ko

[7:58] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, feeling F4 now

Move 0 + 159

[7:58] YSR43[8k]: Variation: !

Move 0 + 154

[7:59] pagia[2d]: Hey,Lee makes it.Alphgo answer the ko

[7:59] kitten1[6k]: if J18 was an anti-ko measure, then alphago is truly transcedent

Move 0 + 155

[7:59] NewNoob[4k]: Variation: this?

Move 0 + 155

[7:59] Fumbar[14k]: good call kitten1

[7:59] Baran[3k]: holy $*!% Ko incoming

[7:59] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: As humans we're obliged to support Lee

[7:59] phil.bordelon[25k]: No we're not. :P

[7:59] samuel_god[9k]: Phil is a traitor!

[7:59] ajmorrissey[23k]: I'm on the side of the bots

[7:59] kitten1[6k]: $*!% right. anyone in here cheers for alphago, I'll lynch them for selling us out to the metalheads

[7:59] AnneOgborn[17k]: nope, we're ot

[7:59] aysz88[23k]: AlphaGo is by humans too...

[7:59] samuel_god[9k]: Kill him quick!

Move 0 + 153

[7:59] LuiDogg[8k]: $*!% can anyone figure how to play?

Move 0 + 155

[7:59] Fumbar[14k]: this is definitly a support Lee moment

[8:00] Shenzao[15k]: This is so $*!% exciting.

[8:00] kitten1[6k]: honestly, though, I just root for the underdog. XD

Move 0 + 156

[8:00] lum0s[13k]: you support your own even if they're losing

[8:00] phil.bordelon[25k]: I'm looking forward to AlphaGo proving that all of the weird Chinese conspiracy theories were idiotic

[8:00] Tran[4k]: FCK UNIVERSITY I WANT TO WATCH THIS

[8:00] AerialSnack[15k]: This is it :D

[8:00] kitten1[6k]: Lee can use this ko to fill white's liberties.

Move 0 + 157

[8:00] AerialSnack[15k]: IT'S GETTING HEATED

[8:00] yishn[7k]: what chinese conspiracy theories?

Move 0 + 157

[8:00] starzig42[2d]: what chinese conspiracy theories ?

[8:00] phil.bordelon[25k]: about a no-ko agreement

[8:00] kennyjay[9k]: I'm a software engineer and tried to program Go in late 80's. I'm in awe of what the AG team has accomplished

[8:01] DarkForest[8k]: wat?

[8:01] kanzenryu[16k]: Fast moves

[8:01] spatula[7k]: oh I think that's a joke they made during the show?

[8:01] starzig42[2d]: ah, fun theory

[8:01] AerialSnack[15k]: wait

[8:01] lum0s[13k]: oh snap is lee gonna ko-nfuse AlphaGo?

[8:01] phil.bordelon[25k]: lum0s: my own could be either side :P

[8:01] AnneOgborn[17k]: I support alphago -if AG wins, us humans have a cool new tool in our toolboxes. This is like watching the moon landing, folks.

Move 0 + 162

[8:01] YSR43[8k]: KOOO

[8:01] YSR43[8k]: Variation: !kooo

Move 0 + 157

[8:01] Baran[3k]: holy $*!% so many possibilities for ko

Move 0 + 152

[8:01] vlin[3d]: Lee is probably back to the game. AG's weakness is unable to handle Ko

Move 0 + 162

[8:01] kingkimchi[3d]: classic lee sedol

Move 0 + 158

[8:01] Fumbar[14k]: but alphago has already won games, we don't need it to win over and over

[8:02] phil.bordelon[25k]: Why does everyone believe that this is a weakness of AG? We haven't seen it in a ko fight since it played against a much weaker player

[8:02] samuel_god[9k]: So, do we give Lee better odds of winning this game than we did an hour ago?

[8:02] kitten1[6k]: black E1?

Move 0 + 159

[8:02] Fumbar[14k]: having lee squeak out wins makes it even more exciting

[8:02] samuel_god[9k]: Or is he still dead

[8:02] iketeru[22k]: can you explain more kingkimchi about lee's style?

[8:02] kitten1[6k]: ah!

[8:02] lum0s[13k]: i can't tell my mind is too feeble

[8:02] LuiDogg[8k]: another ko

[8:02] LuiDogg[8k]: omg

[8:02] Tran[4k]: holy balls i'm almost crying... so hype so excited

[8:02] AerialSnack[15k]: G4?

Move 0 + 161

[8:02] AerialSnack[15k]: no

Move 0 + 160

[8:03] AerialSnack[15k]: Here it guys

[8:03] lum0s[13k]: good lord

[8:03] goplayer8[2k]: who won?

[8:03] The Average Wikipedian[16k]: oops

[8:03] hasan.aljudy[8k]: does g15 work as a threat?

Move 0 + 161

[8:03] Tran[4k]: YES

[8:03] AerialSnack[15k]: Oooh

[8:03] AerialSnack[15k]: Nice

[8:03] thouis[6k]: fill the ko

[8:03] samuel_god[9k]: If I were AlphaGo, I'd be a little scared

[8:03] kanzenryu[16k]: So freaking different to chess

[8:03] AerialSnack[15k]: Same samuel

[8:03] Tran[4k]: Never thought that I can get so excited about a Go game

[8:03] goplayer8[2k]: could anyone tell me the result please?

[8:04] lum0s[13k]: program AG to feel fear

[8:04] phil.bordelon[25k]: It's not over yet, goplayer8.

[8:04] thouis[6k]: not done yet

[8:04] Fumbar[14k]: no result yet

[8:04] AerialSnack[15k]: It actually close now

[8:04] goplayer8[2k]: ok

[8:04] SamuelKu[5k]: fight in H1 and G1

[8:04] kanzenryu[16k]: It's completely over

[8:04] AerialSnack[15k]: I can't believe Lee pulled this off

[8:04] thouis[6k]: Redmond dissing the threat

[8:04] kanzenryu[16k]: For the winning player

Move 0 + 162

[8:04] kanzenryu[16k]: I have no idea who, though

[8:04] vlin[3d]: If AG loses this game, J18 is the losing move.

[8:04] AerialSnack[15k]: G1

[8:04] SamuelKu[5k]: G1

[8:04] hasan.aljudy[8k]: it's hanging on this ko

[8:04] Shenzao[15k]: Oh $*!%.

[8:04] kitten1[6k]: Yeah, J18 was a weird move

[8:04] Baran[3k]: and black doesnt really have many ko threats eh

[8:04] Tran[4k]: LEE is amazing !!!!!

[8:05] Shenzao[15k]: Stream broke.

[8:05] Shenzao[15k]: Just a sec.

[8:05] pagia[2d]: After ko was made,alphago seems go more slowly

[8:05] badpunman[2d]: black can't win the ko

[8:05] YSR43[8k]: 10 more move and alpago goes 1 min :D

Move 0 + 164

[8:05] lum0s[13k]: my brain is melting

[8:05] phil.bordelon[25k]: stream, y u misbehave

[8:05] SamuelKu[5k]: can win

[8:05] hasan.aljudy[8k]: wow

[8:05] Tran[4k]: E1

[8:05] SamuelKu[5k]: G4

Move 0 + 165

[8:06] AerialSnack[15k]: darn

[8:06] SamuelKu[5k]: What

[8:06] AerialSnack[15k]: Look like LSD lost

Move 0 + 167

[8:06] Tran[4k]: AerialSnack: HE CAN DO THAT!!

[8:07] lichungchang[7k]: LSD should resign

[8:07] pagia[2d]: I don't think Lee can win.But I think we should alute him

Move 0 + 168

[8:07] kanzenryu[16k]: We alute you!

[8:07] SamuelKu[5k]: G1 again

Move 0 + 169

[8:07] AerialSnack[15k]: He certainly gave it a run for it's money

[8:07] ajmorrissey[23k]: Did he?

[8:07] mlindner[25k]: I'm confused why people are saying Lee is winning

[8:08] hasan.aljudy[8k]: what happens when W P16?

[8:08] mlindner[25k]: isn't it pretty obvious he's lost?

[8:08] AerialSnack[15k]: The ko

[8:08] kanzenryu[16k]: I'm just confused full stop

[8:08] spatula[7k]: who said he's winning?

[8:08] kanzenryu[16k]: The ko <somthing> ?

[8:08] AerialSnack[15k]: The double ko almost saved his H3 group

Move 0 + 170

[8:08] Traveller[13k]: Ko Threat

[8:08] dneg[3k]: im confused why people saying lsd should resign

[8:08] lichungchang[7k]: the only chance LSD can win is Korea has a power outage

[8:08] Tran[4k]: local ko thread

[8:08] lichungchang[7k]: someone should unplug AG

[8:09] AerialSnack[15k]: That cut is weird

[8:09] spatula[7k]: at least let him finish the ko..

Move 0 + 171

[8:09] Traveller[13k]: It is a threat to capture something else and the opponent needs to respond there.

[8:09] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I wonder if alphago considers the ko a special situation or just works it out from "first principles?

[8:09] Tran[4k]: OMG

[8:09] AerialSnack[15k]: uhhh

[8:09] Fumbar[14k]: good question hasan.aljudy

[8:09] Traveller[13k]: Reading this out is expensive in search

[8:09] AerialSnack[15k]: ???

[8:09] LuiDogg[8k]: MY BRAIN CANT WITHSTAND THIS

Move 0 + 173

[8:10] Tran[4k]: OMG, G1 was so better

[8:10] AerialSnack[15k]: ANOTHER KO?

[8:10] tankbard[11k]: lol I thought he was going to start another ko at A4

[8:10] Tran[4k]: now black has 2 KO

[8:10] phil.bordelon[25k]: doubling down on the ko, I see

[8:10] thouis[6k]: AG's like, "oh, so you like kos?"

[8:10] tankbard[11k]: YES DO IT

Move 0 + 174

[8:10] Traveller[13k]: :-)

Move 0 + 175

[8:10] kanzenryu[16k]: Yo dog, I heard you liked kos, so I koed in a ko

[8:10] Tran[4k]: LOL

[8:10] AerialSnack[15k]: OH MY GOD IT'S HAPPENING

[8:10] Tran[4k]: B8 ACTIVATED

[8:10] AerialSnack[15k]: DO IT

[8:10] AerialSnack[15k]: PLAY B8

[8:11] tankbard[11k]: Lee Sedol giving the critics all the kos they asked for

Move 0 + 176

[8:11] samuel_god[9k]: AlphaKo?

[8:11] kanzenryu[16k]: Such a pity both players are afraid of ko

[8:11] kingkimchi[3d]: hes giving them all they ko ask for ^.^

[8:11] Tran[4k]: B8 HYPE

[8:11] dneg[3k]: ZOMG

[8:11] LuiDogg[8k]: OMG

[8:11] Nocturius02[17k]: Lee's playing in kovertime

[8:11] AerialSnack[15k]: OH MY GOD

[8:11] SamuelKu[5k]: Headache

Move 0 + 178

[8:12] kingkimchi[3d]: Variation: d1

Move 0 + 176

[8:12] kanzenryu[16k]: KO MY GOD

[8:12] AerialSnack[15k]: fksgdkfjbhlhksdjbh

[8:12] Baran[3k]: AlphaGO makes perfect KO threats, so I guess that dispels the theory that AlphaGo is afraid or cant play Ko.... god $*!%

[8:12] Traveller[13k]: Still spending about 30s per move

[8:12] LuiDogg[8k]: surrender

[8:12] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah

[8:12] AerialSnack[15k]: I think that's it

[8:12] NewNoob[4k]: gg

[8:12] Tran[4k]: I think spectators of this game will love Lee Sedol, whether he will win or not

[8:12] AerialSnack[15k]: It got interesting though

[8:12] phil.bordelon[25k]: reeesign

[8:12] Baran[3k]: :(

[8:12] Shenzao[15k]: That was resignation.

[8:12] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, this was a fun game to watch

[8:12] Donut[10k]: OMG

[8:12] lichungchang[7k]: wow

[8:12] dneg[3k]: he did his best

Move 0 + 179

[8:13] LuiDogg[8k]: Variation: is this a chance?

Move 0 + 176

[8:13] Shang Tsung[16k]: nxfgndfgnfg

[8:13] dneg[3k]: up to the end :O

[8:13] tankbard[11k]: I'm glad he held on, that was looking pretty bad there

[8:13] thouis[6k]: wow

[8:13] Fumbar[14k]: a great ending

[8:13] Fumbar[14k]: very exciting

[8:13] kitten1[6k]: is it over?

[8:13] tankbard[11k]: But it's good that he at least showed us some shenanigans :)

[8:13] thouis[6k]: resign

[8:13] AerialSnack[15k]: Yep, LSD resigned

[8:13] hasan.aljudy[8k]: wow

[8:13] trohde[9k]: thanks for the relay, HowToPlay and Shenzao!

[8:13] myrcutio[6k]: i'm amazed he found anything in that area

[8:13] hasan.aljudy[8k]: history has been made again

[8:13] myrcutio[6k]: like a wizard

[8:13] AerialSnack[15k]: Shenzao, put in the comment that Lee resigned

[8:13] phil.bordelon[25k]: And Ariel :)

[8:13] thouis[6k]: *mic drop*

[8:13] Shenzao[15k]: I can't.

[8:13] thouis[6k]: All the kos

[8:13] AerialSnack[15k]: Or do W + Resignation

[8:13] kitten1[6k]: bleh, all those morons in the AGA stream can leave now, at least. DX

[8:14] Baran[3k]: C11 was winning move says Cho Hyeyeon

[8:14] samuel_god[9k]: Were there 3000 people watching on OGS?

[8:14] Traveller[13k]: Thanks for the relay

[8:14] Traveller[13k]: ~500 for real

[8:14] AerialSnack[15k]: Closer to 500 samuel

[8:14] Shenzao[15k]: I would love to saw W+ Resignation in the box, but I don't have permission.

Move 0 + 32

[8:14] thouis[6k]: samuel_god: no, there's a bug

Move 0 + 176

[8:14] vlin[3d]: Thanks!

[8:14] Panada[15k]: thanks !!!!

[8:14] AerialSnack[15k]: Really?

[8:14] pagia[2d]: Thx

[8:14] lichungchang[7k]: what went wrong? starting from which move?

[8:14] Traveller[13k]: Can you pass control?

[8:14] AerialSnack[15k]: Move 1 is where it started to go wrong

[8:14] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah,try giving control to me

[8:15] Fumbar[14k]: will they play the next two games?

[8:15] BrandonKing[25k]: yes

[8:15] Stormer[2k]: they will

[8:15] AerialSnack[15k]: Yes Fumbar

[8:15] Traveller[13k]: Yes they will

[8:15] samuel_god[9k]: Can we get a dan to reveiew?

[8:15] AerialSnack[15k]: we can expect more shenanigans

Move

: Control passed to AerialSnack

Move 0 + 176

[8:15] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh, yeah. Can't make comments

[8:15] Fumbar[14k]: AerialSnack: , show us how to win

[8:15] Fumbar[14k]: how would we beat the computer?

[8:15] AerialSnack[15k]: Oh, that's easy

[8:15] ajmorrissey[23k]: Hopefully LSD gets a bit handicap in one of the next games

[8:15] thouis[6k]: you can't comment the move, AerialSnack ?

Move 0 + 175

[8:15] LuiDogg[8k]: ;(

Move 0 + 176

[8:15] AerialSnack[15k]: Yeah, I cannot comment it

[8:16] Tran[4k]: Amazing game

[8:16] phil.bordelon[25k]: Amazing series.

[8:16] Tran[4k]: Amazing fights by Lee Sedol

Move 0 + 178

[8:16] thouis[6k]: weird.

Move 0 + 176

[8:16] oldmanwolf[14k]: incredible, really

Move 0 + 175

[8:16] LuiDogg[8k]: Guys what if AlphaGo play against AlphaGo will it become a tie?

Move 0 + 176

[8:16] goplayer8[2k]: darn, unplug the power

[8:16] vlin[3d]: Too little too late for Lee in the end, still a good game.

[8:16] Traveller[13k]: So ko does not look like Krytonite

[8:16] AerialSnack[13k]: AlphaGo played against AlphaGo 1mil times

[8:16] LimYangjun[16k]: the pc will go puff

[8:16] Stormer[2k]: Its impressive that he got anything at all interesting out of that invasion... alpha go is looking very strong

[8:16] samuel_god[9k]: LuiDogg, that's how it trains

[8:16] AerialSnack[13k]: Are we reviewing in here?

[8:16] phil.bordelon[25k]: AlphaGo plays against AlphaGo all the time :P

Move 0 + 175

[8:16] LuiDogg[8k]: lmao

Move 0 + 48

[8:16] Baran[3k]: no LuiDogg that would mean it had solved the game

Move 0 + 176

[8:16] hasan.aljudy[8k]: I want to see alpha go play against another alpha go

Move 0 + 175

[8:17] LuiDogg[8k]: lol that is the question

Move 0 + 176

[8:17] Shenzao[15k]: I'll have to fall out, folks. Am I clear to do so?

[8:17] hasan.aljudy[8k]: and have pros comment on it live

[8:17] AerialSnack[13k]: Yeah, you're fine Shenzao

Move 0 + 131

[8:17] Baran[3k]: or well not solved because white has komi and without black should win

[8:17] Baran[3k]: lol

Move 0 + 176

[8:17] Shenzao[15k]: Right on. I leave it in your hands. =)

[8:17] AerialSnack[13k]: Thanks for the relay Shenzao

[8:17] Jonasd[8k]: idgi, how is that a threat? what happens after black plays a4

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[8:17] LuiDogg[8k]: guys bye for now see u all tomorrow and witness the 4th game

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[8:17] AerialSnack[13k]: Are we reviewing in here? If so, I'll give control to a dan player

[8:17] samuel_god[9k]: White lives

[8:17] Jonasd[8k]: how?

[8:18] vlin[3d]: It is safe to say AG is about 10P now, could be 13P soon. :)

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[8:18] samuel_god[9k]: Variation: White is alive

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[8:18] Tran[4k]: that's why humans are amazing, guys

[8:18] Jonasd[8k]: how is that alive after connect at g4?

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[8:18] lichungchang[7k]: can AG beat Ke Jie?

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[8:18] Tran[4k]: despite he loses

[8:18] AerialSnack[13k]: Because M1 Jonasd

[8:19] Tran[4k]: but god, the fightings at the end...

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[8:19] samuel_god[9k]: Variation: Now what?

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[8:19] phil.bordelon[25k]: Fun chatting with everyone again. Have a good evening and see you tomorrow for what I hope will be a much more relaxed game for Lee Sedol.

[8:19] Fumbar[14k]: i'm not really informed but i thik so lichungchang

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[8:19] Jonasd[8k]: ah, i see

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[8:19] vlin[3d]: Ke Jie won't stand a chance in a few months.

[8:19] Traveller[13k]: Cheers, Phil

[8:19] AerialSnack[13k]: Anyone want to review the game?

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[8:19] LuiDogg[8k]: Jonasd LSD is 9-dan pro and he has already figured out all the possibly so he decided to resign no chance

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[8:19] AerialSnack[13k]: Err, anyone want to run the review of the game?

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[8:19] samuel_god[9k]: There are like 15 people here above 1d

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[8:20] Fumbar[14k]: haha AerialSnack

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[8:20] samuel_god[9k]: I'm sure one of you guys can?

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[8:20] AerialSnack[13k]: Where's Xhu when you need him?

[8:20] spatula[7k]: wow Arieal how did you get to 13k

[8:20] Traveller[13k]: Good night folks

[8:20] tekoyaki[25k]: hope lee sedol can play without pressure tomorrow

[8:20] AerialSnack[13k]: I'm dabes :D

[8:20] kingkimchi[3d]: i can, but im not even sure i understand the moves lol

[8:20] spatula[7k]: you were 15k when the game started

[8:20] AerialSnack[13k]: I played a bunch of blitz games, obviously

[8:20] kingkimchi[3d]: i can try to answer some of your questions though

[8:20] samuel_god[9k]: Way to go Aerial!

[8:21] AerialSnack[13k]: mark5000, you here?

[8:21] samuel_god[9k]: Kingkimchi, we'd love it if you'd give it a shot

[8:21] DarkForest[8k]: human's bitterness

[8:21] samuel_god[9k]: Other dans can also chime in. Just someone start us out?

[8:21] AerialSnack[13k]: Pempu?

[8:21] Pempu[2d]: put the result in the "move comments" box please

[8:21] AerialSnack[13k]: Can't

[8:21] AerialSnack[13k]: wont let me

[8:21] Pempu[2d]: I am way too weak to understand this game btw

[8:21] Pempu[2d]: even redmond is

[8:22] samuel_god[9k]: Kuroneko?

[8:22] samuel_god[9k]: He's 5d

[8:22] Pempu[2d]: HowToPlay?: is not here?

[8:22] DavidNakamura[24k]: why even redmond?

[8:22] AerialSnack[13k]: redmond could review though

[8:22] AerialSnack[13k]: Quick, someone call redmond

[8:22] Pempu[2d]: Redmond is quite a bit weaker than Seold and even Sedol got cruashed. This machine is a beast

[8:22] Quenz[22k]: Here's Demis talking about releasing stuff in the future https://youtu.be/4fjmnOQuqao?t=1h2m40s

[8:22] AerialSnack[13k]: I got this guys, I'll review the game

[8:23] kingkimchi[3d]: how do i make a review

[8:23] samuel_god[9k]: This is a review

[8:23] AerialSnack[13k]: I can give you control kingkimchi

[8:23] AerialSnack[13k]: If you want to run the review

[8:23] kingkimchi[3d]: yep

[8:23] kingkimchi[3d]: ill just take questions

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: Control passed to kingkimchi

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[8:24] DavidNakamura[24k]: so does this mean people will just be training with AI now?

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[8:24] Pempu[2d]: err do not make treview in this board.

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[8:24] Pempu[2d]: this is the relay board

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[8:24] DavidNakamura[24k]: it seems like it'll be possible for a lot more people to get good at Go

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[8:24] DavidNakamura[24k]: and study

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[8:24] timuzhti[17k]: What's the postgame conference?

[8:24] kingkimchi[3d]: i think k12 was a quesionable move by Lee

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[8:25] samuel_god[9k]: Was D17 expected?

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[8:25] lichungchang[7k]: LSD totally screw up on upper left corner

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[8:26] AerialSnack[13k]: My question is your opinion of move 29 when you can get to it

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[8:26] kingkimchi[3d]: D17 is normal

[8:26] kingkimchi[3d]: usually a response to D17 can be C15

[8:26] samuel_god[9k]: Hmm. If nothing else is around (no extensions on the sides) it's not joseki, right?

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[8:27] AerialSnack[13k]: joseki shmoseki is what I always say

[8:27] samuel_god[9k]: Well, presumably not joseki for some good reason...

[8:27] kingkimchi[3d]: im assuming alpha played F13 instead of Joseki because of the high chinese opening

[8:27] kingkimchi[3d]: theres already a stone in middle

[8:27] Pempu[2d]: Guys. Seriously. Make another demo to review this game. This should be the relay of the baordcast only

[8:27] kingkimchi[3d]: tell me how to do that

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[8:28] samuel_god[9k]: Fork game?

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[8:28] Pempu[2d]: kingkimchi: you need to manually make another demo board and manually put moves in. Or download SGF and then reupload it. It's cumbersome

[8:29] kingkimchi[3d]: thats fine

[8:29] kingkimchi[3d]: how do i make demo board

[8:29] AerialSnack[13k]: Thank you all for this wonderful time

[8:29] AerialSnack[13k]: I must be going to bed (two hours ago). Good night ^-^

[8:29] Pempu[2d]: kingkimchi: go to https://online-go.com/play and hit "create game" and on the top left change to demo

[8:30] kingkimchi[3d]: got it

[8:30] lum0s[13k]: good night!

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[8:31] kingkimchi[3d]: demo 116111

[8:31] Pempu[2d]: samuel_god: forking doesn't work so well either. One needs an opponent to fork to and then they would need to finish the forked game and review it.

[8:41] vlin[3d]: The great thing about the birth of AG is, all Go players can benefit from playing with AI and become 9d or even better soon.

[8:55] hajoucha[12k]: but what is the use of becoming 9p when there is a machine which does a better job?

[9:02] tekoyaki[25k]: Wow, Sergey Brin came by

[9:10] tekoyaki[25k]: anyone watching the press conference?

[9:16] hajoucha[12k]: yeah

[9:18] rosebud25[22k]: Variation: 19757

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[9:30] leomao[10k]: Variation: This variation is not possible for black

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[9:38] GoChoBo[16k]: can you watch that on youtube?

[9:38] GoChoBo[16k]: the press conference?

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