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Move 4

hetdraga[?]

0 captures

vegetta8787[9k]

0 captures

+ 5.5

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Rules: Chinese

Review by: vegetta8787[10k]

Move 1

February 14, 2021

[20:42] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 1

Move 9

[20:43] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 2

Move 14 + 2

[20:44] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 3

Move 14 + 1

[20:44] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 4

Move 14

[20:44] vegetta8787[9k]: Do you see?

Move 19

[20:44] hetdraga[?]: this clearly is not your first rodeo

[20:44] vegetta8787[9k]: This is a very common weakness

[20:45] vegetta8787[9k]: if you get caught here you usually cant escpae wathc

Move 19 + 8

[20:45] vegetta8787[9k]: err sorry not this

Move 18 + 3

[20:45] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 5

Move 18 + 1

[20:45] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 6

Move 18

[20:46] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 7

[20:46] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 8

[20:46] vegetta8787[9k]: do you see the x? you must not allow it,

[20:46] vegetta8787[9k]: if that happens, due to the wall, you won't escape

Move 18 + 1

[20:47] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 9

Move 31

[20:47] vegetta8787[9k]: protect from being captured

[20:47] vegetta8787[9k]: do you have any questions?

[20:47] vegetta8787[9k]: if you get surrounded you get captured, you must protect yourself, else you are further away from capturing me, and might never capture if I live

Move 46

[20:48] hetdraga[?]: suffice to say i am overwhelmed, but I am enjoying your skill in teaching

[20:48] vegetta8787[9k]: I don't think I am that skilled in teaching TBH, I just know this stuff

[20:48] hetdraga[?]: fair enough

[20:48] vegetta8787[9k]: lets say as a beginner rule, you must always defend against atari (that is being capture)

[20:48] hetdraga[?]: that makes sense

[20:48] vegetta8787[9k]: that is a good rule for a beginner always try to escape and protect your stones

[20:49] vegetta8787[9k]: and you must learn about life and death too

[20:49] hetdraga[?]: :)

[20:49] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 10

[20:49] hetdraga[?]: do you have these variations already saved??

[20:49] vegetta8787[9k]: no, I wrote the text

[20:49] vegetta8787[9k]: this is what happened in game, I jsut comment for the last one

[20:50] vegetta8787[9k]: as you notice many variations especially for beginners happen when you get backed in a corner

[20:50] vegetta8787[9k]: this one can happen on outside too

Move 52

[20:50] vegetta8787[9k]: at move 52 and so on game was basically over

Move 5

[20:50] vegetta8787[9k]: starting in center on 9x9 usually means you are good at fighting

[20:51] vegetta8787[9k]: in go, and especially if you move to bigger boards, people usually start in corner

[20:51] hetdraga[?]: thank you kindly for the insight. how long have you been playing?

[20:51] vegetta8787[9k]: because the wall helps you gain points

[20:51] vegetta8787[9k]: it's much harder to invade corner, and it requires less stones to make a base

[20:51] vegetta8787[9k]: than in center or side

[20:51] vegetta8787[9k]: on 19x19 if you play first move in center you're very likely to lose (well if you're good lol)

[20:52] vegetta8787[9k]: you can find much of the basics in links I've send, and under puzzles

Move 10 + 2

[20:52] hetdraga[?]: thanks again

Move 18

[20:53] vegetta8787[9k]: well you're welcome

[20:53] vegetta8787[9k]: if you can still handle I can tell you about life and death lol

[20:53] hetdraga[?]: seems important

Move 0

[20:53] hetdraga[?]: thank you

[20:53] vegetta8787[9k]: you see the board? and my moves?

Move 0 + 6

[20:53] hetdraga[?]: yep

Move 0 + 8

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: you know about capture right?

[20:54] hetdraga[?]: yes

Move 0 + 9

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: you know white can't play inside ?

[20:54] hetdraga[?]: right

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: "suicide" is not allowed

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: but with one exception

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: imagine this

Move 0 + 24

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: right now, white is allowed to play inside black, to capture

Move 0 + 26

[20:54] vegetta8787[9k]: see?

[20:54] hetdraga[?]: yep

Move 0 + 18

[20:55] vegetta8787[9k]: the basis of life and death is called eyes

[20:55] vegetta8787[9k]: eyes is a hole in your base, stuff you surround

[20:55] hetdraga[?]: ok

[20:55] vegetta8787[9k]: one eye means you can die, if you're completely surrounded

[20:55] vegetta8787[9k]: cause you just play inside

[20:55] vegetta8787[9k]: two eyes (or more) means you can't

Move 0 + 19

[20:55] vegetta8787[9k]: this kills, because white has two big eyes

Move 0 + 31

[20:56] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 11

[20:56] vegetta8787[9k]: This is considered dead

[20:56] vegetta8787[9k]: watch

[20:56] vegetta8787[9k]: sry watch

Move 0 + 37

[20:56] vegetta8787[9k]: see? even if there is space it's still one big eye

Move 0 + 36

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: if white were to play H2 first

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: the shape lives

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: this is the minimal shape to live in corner

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: when you say eye you don't have necessarily have to have only 2 exactly 1 space

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: you can have "big" eyes

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: doed it make sense?

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 12

[20:57] vegetta8787[9k]: this is alive

[20:58] vegetta8787[9k]: it means it's impossible for black to capture white, even if it completely surrounds the base

[20:58] vegetta8787[9k]: now life and death is hard, I am believe it or not still a beginner myself, some life and death problems require much skill

[20:58] vegetta8787[9k]: there are entire books on life and death, but knowing the basics and how to live in corner is important for basics of go

[20:58] vegetta8787[9k]: does it make sense until now?

[20:59] hetdraga[?]: i think so.

[20:59] hetdraga[?]: its a lot to take in

[20:59] vegetta8787[9k]: ok there is a thing called fake eye

[20:59] hetdraga[?]: how long have you been playing?

[20:59] vegetta8787[9k]: it means it looks like an eye, but you can capture it

[21:00] vegetta8787[9k]: well I played for about a year like 4 years ago, then I stopped and started again a month or two, this year

[21:00] vegetta8787[9k]: 9k is my level, approximatively on this site

[21:00] hetdraga[?]: what is the scale?

[21:00] vegetta8787[9k]: you start at say 30k, and just by understanding the very basics you can get to 25-20k very easily

[21:00] vegetta8787[9k]: it decreases until 1k,

[21:00] vegetta8787[9k]: it means 1k is higher than 9k etc

[21:00] hetdraga[?]: i see

[21:00] vegetta8787[9k]: the level, not on a small board but on a big board

[21:01] vegetta8787[9k]: it means, the difference between 1k, means that the lower k can give the difference in stones and still be competitive

[21:01] vegetta8787[9k]: it means if I play on 19x19 a 1k, he can allow me to place 8 stones on board at the very start, and still be able to win

[21:01] hetdraga[?]: ok, thats the handicap then

[21:01] vegetta8787[9k]: usually on this site the k don't mean as much as in real world, like I play lots of 9x9, so I might be 9k on 9x9, but on a 19x19 board I'm closer to 15k maybe even worse

[21:01] vegetta8787[9k]: yes that is handicap

[21:01] vegetta8787[9k]: after 1k it goes to dan

[21:01] vegetta8787[9k]: and it grows

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: 1d, to idk 2 3 IDK exactly how much

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: then you have professional dans

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: so technically between a complete amateur and a 9p (9 dan pro) they can probably win even if you play like 10 stones on board

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: well of course if the handicap is too much, the game becomes unwinnable for anyone

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: imagine you set 20 stones or 30,

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: but you get the idea

[21:02] hetdraga[?]: while i have enjoyed being trounced, i think i should spend some more time learning before i embarrass myself

[21:02] vegetta8787[9k]: now ix you want to play "real" go, 19x19 is the way to go

[21:03] vegetta8787[9k]: I for example am much better at 9x9 than 19x19

[21:03] vegetta8787[9k]: 9x9 teacher fighting and the basics

[21:03] vegetta8787[9k]: but on 19x19 people don't play close at all

[21:03] hetdraga[?]: interestintg

[21:03] vegetta8787[9k]: if you for example play 19x19 and attack all the stones, against a good player you will lose, they will ignore your moves and play at a distance

[21:03] vegetta8787[9k]: 19x19 is a much bigger board

Move 0 + 22

[21:04] vegetta8787[9k]: this shape do you see it?

[21:04] hetdraga[?]: is this the fake eye?

[21:04] vegetta8787[9k]: yes, do you see why?

[21:04] vegetta8787[9k]: or do you see why this is killable?

Move 0 + 24

[21:04] vegetta8787[9k]: even this

[21:05] vegetta8787[9k]: if black plays at X, white can't defend, either they lose G2, or they defend and lose one eye

[21:05] vegetta8787[9k]: either way it's dead

Move 0 + 27

[21:05] vegetta8787[9k]: see?

[21:05] hetdraga[?]: i did ( after you showed me )

Move 1 + 12

[21:06] vegetta8787[9k]: ok

[21:06] vegetta8787[9k]: there is another rule called ko

[21:06] hetdraga[?]: this is ko

Move 1 + 13

[21:06] vegetta8787[9k]: you know of it?

[21:06] hetdraga[?]: the board has to change

[21:06] vegetta8787[9k]: yes

Move 0

[21:06] vegetta8787[9k]: usually people on 9x9, or on bigger boards play corners first

Move 0 + 1

[21:06] hetdraga[?]: that was one of the only rules i think stuck

Move 0 + 8

[21:07] vegetta8787[9k]: invading a corner directly like B does, if you play well you won't live

[21:07] vegetta8787[9k]: not enough space to make 2 eyes

Move 0 + 9

[21:07] vegetta8787[9k]: do you see the x? if you find yourself in such a position, you must defend

[21:07] vegetta8787[9k]: if you get cornered you will likely die

[21:07] vegetta8787[9k]: in the open you can escape, not on the wall

Move 0 + 16

[21:08] vegetta8787[9k]: one common variation

[21:08] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 13

Move 0 + 14

[21:08] vegetta8787[9k]: Variation: 14

[21:09] vegetta8787[9k]: this is called double atari, it means you threaten to capture 2 groups, adn obviously B can't defed both

Move 0 + 4

[21:09] vegetta8787[9k]: I am not very good at openings or joseki and fuseki or how it's called ( opening theory and how to respond to opponent moves to gain equivalent points as in not to lose)

[21:10] vegetta8787[9k]: but if you play 3-3 corner, you can try to learn fast how to defend it

[21:10] vegetta8787[9k]: 3x3 corner you can 100% defend it, if you play it at start of game that is

[21:10] vegetta8787[9k]: not if it's too late

[21:10] vegetta8787[9k]: any questions lol?

[21:11] hetdraga[?]: :D my brain may be full

[21:11] hetdraga[?]: super kind of you to share your insights

[21:11] vegetta8787[9k]: well people are usually very friendly in go

[21:11] hetdraga[?]: this seems to be a very friendly place

[21:11] vegetta8787[9k]: at least in my experience, there is also chat for chatting

[21:11] vegetta8787[9k]: and I suggest you check the tutorials under puzzles,

[21:11] vegetta8787[9k]: you will surely learn a lot!

[21:11] hetdraga[?]: i will do that, thank you

[21:12] hetdraga[?]: i appreciate your having taken the time to show me some basics

[21:12] hetdraga[?]: very kind of you

[21:12] vegetta8787[9k]: np, feel free to ask questions in the future if you want, and have fun :D

[21:12] hetdraga[?]: thanks again

[21:12] hetdraga[?]: you too

[21:12] vegetta8787[9k]: take care

[21:12] hetdraga[?]: you as well